How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda • Hacker News Board

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by est » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:45 AM UTC

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #59

est wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> DL was a monster, killer, some demonic being aiming at the destruction of China Or he is a democratically elected peaceful spiritual leader (like a reincarnated pope) from an independent theocratic serfdom kingdom?

This is the general tone that China justifies the invasion: Tibet was feudal, people were slaves, we liberated them, now everybody is happy. There had been many bad things going on in Tibet, but it does not mean you can just invade the country, destroy all forms of religion, put people in prisons, starve and kill your victims, grab the resources, make the life of Tibetans miserable, and pretend you are the great libe…

This is the general tone that Lamas justifies the Buddhism invasion: Tibet was feudal, people were slaves, Lamas liberated them, now everybody is happy. One particular Lama even assassinated Langdarma, the last King of Tibet.

In fact as of today the 14th DL actively suppress native Tibetan religions like Dorje Shugden.

If you think Lamas were peaceful monks, check out how many "independent states" they have invaded in the 20th century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48wkBskmYnE

> some managed to escape to India

More like India invaded those independent "princely states"

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by 0dayz » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:46 AM UTC

pydry wrote: post #44

zensavona wrote: post #20

FYI for those skeptical about pro-China propaganda online: Chinese channel with fake videos about how there is not really a genocide going on in Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5hykSm2o7oRpOyFrMYjeBg This girl is actually responding to a video exposing these ridiculous videos, trying to make the argument that the criticism is actually anti-China propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYUmBDJPX6k Rand…

laowhy is an excellent channel.

Not really, he and serpentza has gone in the opposite direction I.e. grifting.

Which is sad cuz their experience is one of a kind.

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by pydry » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:54 AM UTC

0dayz wrote: post #62

pydry wrote: post #44

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laowhy is an excellent channel.

Not really, he and serpentza has gone in the opposite direction I.e. grifting. Which is sad cuz their experience is one of a kind.

Grifting how? I havent seen them do much beyond the regular shilling for nordvpn and asking for patreon donations that come as standard for most youtubers who have bills to pay.

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by krageon » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:55 AM UTC

0dayz wrote: post #57

throwSZ99 wrote: post #48

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Why should Westerners care about a "sprawling network of more than 350 fake social media profiles" when our own governments have been lying to us and spewing propaganda about almost everything of importance for DECADES? See my comment about GCHQ's JTRIG unit elsewhere on this page. Western propaganda campaigns are often a prelude to war. And they usually deploy several orders of magnitude more assets than "350 fake s…

Its quite peculiar you only post on topics that are about China. Since you seem like a peace loving person then what do you think about what is happening in Xinjiang? Also to debunk your obvious whataboutism. First of wmd in Iraq has been confirmed before the Iraq War even happen. Baby in incubator was something kuwait said to the us not the other way around. Lastly never heard about wmd in Libya since they scrap it…

> wmd in Iraq has been confirmed

They never existed and it would frankly be an enormous stretch of the imagination to think intelligence services are so earth-shatteringly incompetent that they would not be aware of this fact.

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by krageon » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 9:58 AM UTC

mjreacher wrote: post #58

throwSZ99 wrote: post #45

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> allergic to negative mentions of china Not exactly. Some of us would rather first and primarily focus on the disinfo artists who are destroying Western democracies than point the finger at a country that doesn't claim to be free and fair and open. Pot, meet kettle: from the Wikipedia entry on Britain's GCHQ JTRIG unit: 'The scope of the JTRIG's mission includes using "dirty tricks" to "destroy, deny, degrade [and]…

Is there any evidence for the scale of such operations being conducted domestically?

> Is there any evidence

A core part of any domestic intelligence service is having the means to discredit and publically ridicule anyone who has or claims to have such evidence. Asking for it in this context is noble, but should be viewed as fundamentally futile. Either you will not have it, or the people providing it will most likely be crackpots to your perception.

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by krageon » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:00 AM UTC

PradeetPatel wrote: post #40

fartcannon wrote: post #28

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More than any other tech company, negative things about Apple will get you quickly down voted into oblivion. Hard to know if its just rabid fanboys, or PR firms. Unfortunately, HN isn't interested in naming and shaming companies caught astroturfing and they don't like us to speculate. Its too bad because I would consider that information a huge kindness to humanity.

As someone who used to work in a reputation management firm, this is considered industry practice regarding public engagement. Chances are keywords of interest are monitored on common social media, after applying sentiment analysis, an analyst specialising in Public engagement is assigned to engage with the public in order to shape the narrative.

For what it's worth, this is as far as I've seen it exactly what happens within every company (and as you say, every hired third party).

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by RyEgswuCsn » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:00 AM UTC

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #59

est wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> DL was a monster, killer, some demonic being aiming at the destruction of China Or he is a democratically elected peaceful spiritual leader (like a reincarnated pope) from an independent theocratic serfdom kingdom?

This is the general tone that China justifies the invasion: Tibet was feudal, people were slaves, we liberated them, now everybody is happy. There had been many bad things going on in Tibet, but it does not mean you can just invade the country, destroy all forms of religion, put people in prisons, starve and kill your victims, grab the resources, make the life of Tibetans miserable, and pretend you are the great libe…

> There had been many bad things going on in Tibet, but it does not mean you can just invade the country, destroy all forms of religion, put people in prisons, starve and kill your victims, grab the resources, make the life of Tibetans miserable, and pretend you are the great liberator - only because of superior military power.

Is it just me or the sentence also makes perfect sense if Tibet is replaced by Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya?

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by kmlx » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:00 AM UTC

throwSZ99 wrote: post #45

go_elmo wrote: post #18

Interesting, didnt know so many here are allergic to negative mentions of china, reacting with bbc flaming. Like cmon its just a dictatorship, accept it.

> allergic to negative mentions of china Not exactly. Some of us would rather first and primarily focus on the disinfo artists who are destroying Western democracies than point the finger at a country that doesn't claim to be free and fair and open. Pot, meet kettle: from the Wikipedia entry on Britain's GCHQ JTRIG unit: 'The scope of the JTRIG's mission includes using "dirty tricks" to "destroy, deny, degrade [and]…

> In 2011, the JTRIG conducted a denial-of-service attack (DoS) on the activist network Anonymous.[1] Other JTRIG targets have included the government of Iran and the Taliban in Afghanistan.[2]

what exactly is the problem with this?

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by zthrowaway » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:00 AM UTC

jlduan wrote: post #14

yesbut wrote: post #3

I wonder how it stacks up to the fake network pushing anti-China propaganda.

How The Epoch Times Created a Giant Influence Machine "Since 2016, the Falun Gong-backed newspaper has used aggressive Facebook tactics and right-wing misinformation to create an anti-China, pro-Trump media empire." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/technology/epoch-times-in...

Hilarious this is coming from NYT. Who just got caught trying to hide evidence that they have been pushing Chinese propaganda for years lol.

Re: How a fake network pushes pro-China propaganda

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Post by krageon » Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:03 AM UTC

pas wrote: post #47

beebeepka wrote: post #19

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Exactly. The rivals of the current status quo are bad and cannot be trusted! We only have to trust the people who pillaged Iraq under false pretences.

You don't have to trust anyone fully. In fact it's imperative to try to apply critical thinking to information that you encounter. (Both to counteract one's own and the other party's biases.) That said, one group has a history of shady (and overt) shit (from internment of Japanese Americans during WWII to MK Ultra to all the horrible things that have been unearthed during the years via FOIA, whistleblowers, investiga…

It helps plenty, because it highlights the fact that one party is slandering another. Even though they're both equally bad. You have a finite amount of worrying in you, so shifting your focus to something else helps them get away with more themselves. To my mind this means that when such news comes from a party that is just a pot calling a kettle black, that's quite close to evidence of a guilty conscience.