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PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by trasz »

ompaLompa wrote: post #60
trasz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a Chinese-sponsored scholarship in China. But I suppose it’s fine to be a racist jerk if only you can blame CCP, right?

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Yes, because the prevalent anti-Chinese propaganda is, frankly, quite disgusting. And the main source of this propaganda is US. I think it’s useful to remind some facts to restore the balance.

Also: I’ve blamed the West for Holocaust? Where, but also, who should take the blame according to you, China again? :-D

Also, if you’re taking this personal, you wrote two comments on HN, total, including the one above. Not calling you a bot of course.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

MisterSandman wrote: post #3

The link leads to a reddit post, which leads to another reddit post, which leads to this article in Swiss: https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/hsg-und-china-kritik-auf-twitter-... I can't read Swiss... but the comments on Reddit seem to show that this isn't as cut and dry as the title makes it sound. Quoting /u/hamsterman20: > "First of all, he was going to a chinese university with a chinese scholarship. > He left the swiss…

I mostly came here to post that I was surprised that this is legal in Switzerland.

A Ph.D. student is an employee, and even normal university students can in most countries not be so easily dismissed without some show of academic misconduct.

Organizations being legally allowed to dismiss without some compelling reason or court approval is a U.S.A. idiosyncrasy.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by spoonjim »

temp8964 wrote: post #22

Deep down in the reddit comments there is a statement from the university, which mentioned "The former supervisor's desire to clearly distance herself is understandable when an accusation of racism is in the air." Some other comments also mentioned a "racist cartoon". It is also mentioned in the report: https://www.nzz.ch/english/swiss-phd-students-dismissal-spot... > The writer accuses Gerber of a «racist attack on…

Of course the CCP wouldn’t, only the West is capable of the self-own that is modern Victim Culture.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by dmix »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #57
ChemSpider wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it isn't like a Swiss Student randomly tweeted about the CCP and got kicked out. Based on the original article, it is pretty much exactly like that. The newspaper talked to both sides and clearly believes the student over the professor. It seems everything else are excuses by the Prof and the university (which has plenty of cooperations with China). Now, if the student was technically enrolled at the University or…

That article should definitely be the OP here, as it's much, much more informative than the Reddit posts.

The 2nd comment in the original Reddit post linked here on HN has a good translation:

https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/oxmgg2/phd_student_...

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by anthk »

watwut wrote: post #16
noipv4 wrote: post #9

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Lol, it's German. There is no Swiss language. We speak German, French, Italian and Romansch here.

People who speak German regularly dont understand Swiss German as it is different.

It may happen the same way with random Spanish speakers on the Chilean, Argentinian or the Murcian dialect if they are not exposed to them.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by jeroenhd »

Tomte wrote: post #46

> Als seine Freundin einige der Tweets sieht, ist sie schockiert. Sie bittet ihn am Telefon, damit aufzuhören. Nicht weil sie bei allem anderer Meinung wäre. Sondern weil sie sich vor Repressionen der chinesischen Regierung fürchtet. «Ich bin in der Schweiz, nicht in China», antwortet er. «Hier kann ich sagen, was ich will.» Translation: When his girlfriend saw some of his tweets she's aghast. She's asking him on the…

Isn't that exactly the point, though? Relationship trouble aside, influencing people's choice of words and freedom of expression by making their loved once fear repercussions from their government sounds exactly like the kind of abuse the Chinese government uses to crush dissent.

People who care deeply about China can't speak up to protect their people because their loved ones might fall victim to the governments wide-spread abuse of power. That's the kind of dystopia freedom of expression is meant to prevent. The fact his girlfriend felt threatened by his opinion is exactly the problem with the CCP and something we should all speak out against.

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by ChemSpider »

dmix wrote: post #64
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article should definitely be the OP here, as it's much, much more informative than the Reddit posts.

The 2nd comment in the original Reddit post linked here on HN has a good translation: https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/oxmgg2/phd_student_...

No need for a translation. There is an original English version of the article:

https://www.nzz.ch/english/swiss-phd-students-dismissal-spot...

Re: PhD student in Switzerland expelled after criticizing the CCP in Twitter

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Post by sva_ »

Tomte wrote: post #46

> Als seine Freundin einige der Tweets sieht, ist sie schockiert. Sie bittet ihn am Telefon, damit aufzuhören. Nicht weil sie bei allem anderer Meinung wäre. Sondern weil sie sich vor Repressionen der chinesischen Regierung fürchtet. «Ich bin in der Schweiz, nicht in China», antwortet er. «Hier kann ich sagen, was ich will.» Translation: When his girlfriend saw some of his tweets she's aghast. She's asking him on the…

What bothers me about this whole ordeal is the fact that the Chinese gov seems to keep a watch on pretty much anyone's social media it seems. This guy supposedly had like 10 to 20 followers, and the tweet in question was only a reply.

It reminds me of the time when some athlete (if my memory serves me right) expressed sympathy with HK protests, and was made to apologize to the Chinese gov. But this guy is much less known than that.

It makes me wonder to what extend the CCP keeps a watch on foreign citizens. Do we all have a file in their social credit score system?

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