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Re: Harvey’s Casino Bomb

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post #57

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Still shocking to me that nobody looks at the life insurance broker who knows that the spouse would be vulnerable to a sure conviction if the other spouse was found dead within the next few months after opening the policy

What is the broker’s motive?

for the lulz?

fbi says there are over 2,000 serial killers free in the US

we dont know nearly enough of them to know motivations or even assume thats a prerequisite

Re: Harvey’s Casino Bomb

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post #57

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What is the broker’s motive?

for the lulz? fbi says there are over 2,000 serial killers free in the US we dont know nearly enough of them to know motivations or even assume thats a prerequisite

A random person doing it for the lulz is already likely to get away with it, at least for a while. No need to do that much prep.

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It is because you don't hear about the cases which don't slip up.

Selection bias is a cheap canned answer, but it doesn't make any sense here. Sensational unsolved crimes make the news. The public hearing about crimes isn't conditional on those crimes being solves. Arguably some of the most enduringly notorious crimes are the ones that go unsolved. The Zodiac Killer; never been caught. "D.B. Cooper", never caught. The presumed murder of Jimmy Hoffa, unsolved.

I happen to know somebody who was involved in the investigation of highly professional heist. The bank wanted to keep it quiet, and I can't find much other than this one article about the incident. I was gonna call it movie-worthy, but it's not, because there were no salacious details, no close calls, just in&out and no funny business.

https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19980804&slug...

Re: Harvey’s Casino Bomb

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post #32

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Huh? Big unsolved crimes receive unending fame.

This is not always the case... the DoJ reminds me of a sales organization. Crimes are sales leads. Publicized leads are usually very close to being closed(solved). That doesn't always work though - the crime may be something the public is aware of, and then the pressure to "close" the lead is even greater. There are numerous "big" crimes that the public has no awareness of though.

This is somewhat pessimistic..

If the case is high profile enough, they will _always_ find someone to find guilty.

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>Tourists at neighboring casinos bet on when the bomb would go off, or if it would go off. After the bomb detonated, crowds cheered and reveled from a safe distance. Completely unhinged tourists. Hotel explodes and people cheer cause they probably won money.

Meh, no one was hurt. Vegas is all about spectacle, and this was certainly a spectacle.

A criminal spectacle, that’s the difference. Odd that betting was allowed on the outcome of a crime.

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This is not always the case... the DoJ reminds me of a sales organization. Crimes are sales leads. Publicized leads are usually very close to being closed(solved). That doesn't always work though - the crime may be something the public is aware of, and then the pressure to "close" the lead is even greater. There are numerous "big" crimes that the public has no awareness of though.

This is somewhat pessimistic.. If the case is high profile enough, they will _always_ find someone to find guilty.

The Zodiac Killer and D. B. Cooper are notable exceptions. And there are probably a bunch more.

It seems statistically unavoidable that there are always going to be some big cases that go unsolved. It'll probably become less and less common - especially since it seems inevitable that nearly all DNA will eventually be traceable via genetic genealogy databases - but some crimes just won't result in any DNA or other significant evidence being left.

Re: Harvey’s Casino Bomb

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post #21

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As always, with any crime, the more people involved, the greater the possibility that human factors will sabotage the operation. The perfect crime has one perpetrator. It is also why its fascinating that people will believe in conspiracy theories that supposedly involve tens / hundreds / thousands of people. Theories that we faked the moon landing always intrigue me. Or that the earth is flat.

I see your point! I totally do. I also used to hold this belief. But then the Snowden revelations came out and it was revealed that probably 10,000 people in government were aware of a system that was sucking up all of our data for warrantless search and they had successfully kept the secret for something like 10 years (or more?). For sure it's true that a secret can be kept by three people if two of them are dead. B…

I think that Snowden leaks were more or less an open secret. I mean, it is about spies spying. Sure, the NSA overstepped its borders, but it is not exactly the first time (remember ECHELON), and the way it did that wasn't revolutionary. They didn't have a quantum computer, nanobots or anything like that: just competent computer security specialists and too much money to spend. Not even something significant like breaking commercial-grade crypto or anything like that, they "broke TLS" by inserting wiretaps in datacenters where data wasn't encrypted.

Snowden gave proof and technical details about what was happening. It is like showing proof that Israel has nuclear weapons. Israel doesn't talk about it, they may or may not have nuclear weapons, most people think they do, and such a revelation won't surprise anyone, but it is still a big deal, because they can't use their "deliberate ambiguity" strategy anymore.

Re: Harvey’s Casino Bomb

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In the end he was caught because his van was identified and because "One of his sons had revealed to his then-girlfriend that his father had placed a bomb in Harvey's." I always wonder at how criminals that otherwise might seem movie-like masterminds are caught as a result of mundane mistakes and outright stupid moves like this. You would think if you are going to bomb a place, the first thing would be to not talk ab…

As always, with any crime, the more people involved, the greater the possibility that human factors will sabotage the operation. The perfect crime has one perpetrator. It is also why its fascinating that people will believe in conspiracy theories that supposedly involve tens / hundreds / thousands of people. Theories that we faked the moon landing always intrigue me. Or that the earth is flat.

The perfect crime is one in which you will either not serve time or only a little if caught. Politics comes to mind.

Re: Harvey’s Casino Bomb

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Isn’t ransomware the modern version of it?

Ransomware is also a better sort of arbitrage against the legal system. If you somehow got caught and prosecuted you didn't do a violent crime, so that has to probably help you somewhat. Of course you did do a federal crime so you have to serve 85% of your time no matter what.

Not at all. White collar criminals often serve longer than even violent criminals. Look at Bernie Maddof, Allen Stanford and others
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