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Inside TikTok’s Algorithm [video]

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i'm not sure if this is some super duper AI. it look like TiTok just give you what you are interested in like YouTube.

i watch a lot of YouTube video without logging into my Google account. if i watch a digital camera review then Youtube will server up a lot of camera related content on the front page. TikTok seem to do the same.

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Maybe this isn't a substantive comment that really adds anything, but just wanted to echo a few other commenters- I don't find anything special about the TikTok algorithm, or TikTok in general. It's.... fine. I signed in via Apple ID initially, and it clearly didn't have much info on me, so it just served up what it thought I'd like based on my age & rural location at the time (basically, tractors & Trump). Later it got a little better, but I just don't see the 'scary' or 'addictive' algorithm that people rave about. It's.... it's just OK. Eg I liked one funny video of the Hispanic guy pronouncing various states, it now shows me a bunch more by the same guy- doesn't exactly seem like superhuman AI. YouTube has more relevant content for me, personally

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#63

I doubt TikTok's algorithm is really so awesome. It's a legend they promote to hype up their brand. I know I'm not their target demographic as I'm in my 30s, but it fails completely to show me interesting stuff. Instead, it shows what it thinks I could like. I get a lot of odd videos that start of sexualized and then turn into a prank (its a TikTok genre apparently). Or videos of woodworking. Or asian cooks. It is ve…

TikTok doesn't promote this "legend" whatsoever. Indeed, 99% of the time I've read about TikTok's algorithm, it has been naysayer conspiring about how it's an evil addiction engine.

I've seen zero articles technically praising TikTok.

Like everything, it probably isn't for everyone (as an aside -- it seems like a considerable portion of TikTok's base now are middle aged...they aren't targeting any particular demographic), but personally I get a wonderful selection of FYP videos. I only use the app every week or so, but when I do it is one of the most interesting, entertaining digressions available.

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#64

I doubt TikTok's algorithm is really so awesome. It's a legend they promote to hype up their brand. I know I'm not their target demographic as I'm in my 30s, but it fails completely to show me interesting stuff. Instead, it shows what it thinks I could like. I get a lot of odd videos that start of sexualized and then turn into a prank (its a TikTok genre apparently). Or videos of woodworking. Or asian cooks. It is ve…

TikTok doesn't promote this "legend" whatsoever. Indeed, 99% of the time I've read about TikTok's algorithm, it has been naysayer conspiring about how it's an evil addiction engine. I've seen zero articles technically praising TikTok. Like everything, it probably isn't for everyone (as an aside -- it seems like a considerable portion of TikTok's base now are middle aged...they aren't targeting any particular demograp…

Here's some praise: https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2020/9/18/seeing-like-an-algo...

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#65

I doubt TikTok's algorithm is really so awesome. It's a legend they promote to hype up their brand. I know I'm not their target demographic as I'm in my 30s, but it fails completely to show me interesting stuff. Instead, it shows what it thinks I could like. I get a lot of odd videos that start of sexualized and then turn into a prank (its a TikTok genre apparently). Or videos of woodworking. Or asian cooks. It is ve…

TikTok doesn't promote this "legend" whatsoever. Indeed, 99% of the time I've read about TikTok's algorithm, it has been naysayer conspiring about how it's an evil addiction engine. I've seen zero articles technically praising TikTok. Like everything, it probably isn't for everyone (as an aside -- it seems like a considerable portion of TikTok's base now are middle aged...they aren't targeting any particular demograp…

I listened to a podcast recently (Reply All) where they spent quite a bit of time praising the TikTok recommendation engine.

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"We programmed bots to go down rabbit-holes. Watch as TikTok's algorithm makes our bots go down rabbit holes!" Not saying TikTok isn't spooky. But: The effort that went into making the viewer feel anxious while watching this was extreme ; and the effort that went into actual explanation of the TikTok algorithm was minimal.

Perhaps it would be more useful if WSJ told us how they made "dozens of automated accounts". Everyone should be doing this. Why not. We could all be "investigating". Think of what we might learn. Automation is the future. Everyone should be learning it.

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post #31

I doubt TikTok's algorithm is really so awesome. It's a legend they promote to hype up their brand. I know I'm not their target demographic as I'm in my 30s, but it fails completely to show me interesting stuff. Instead, it shows what it thinks I could like. I get a lot of odd videos that start of sexualized and then turn into a prank (its a TikTok genre apparently). Or videos of woodworking. Or asian cooks. It is ve…

The only place I've ever heard about the TT algorithm is in news pieces attempting to explain why it took off the way it did. For years we were hearing that social media startups were DOA due to FB and IG domination. And then BAM, TT swooped in sometime in 2018 and became huge. I'm in the same age group as you and TT is also not of interest to me. It's possible that I just don't get it for the same reason I didn't ge…

Non Chinese in general didn't realize the ferocious competition between video apps companies like Bytedance and Kuaishou. When tiktok emerged it was already very strong.

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"We programmed bots to go down rabbit-holes. Watch as TikTok's algorithm makes our bots go down rabbit holes!" Not saying TikTok isn't spooky. But: The effort that went into making the viewer feel anxious while watching this was extreme ; and the effort that went into actual explanation of the TikTok algorithm was minimal.

Yes this was a disappointing watch - they seemed to have gone to some effort to simulate a lot of accounts with interests, and testing some handwaving unspecified theories. But then they only detailed _one_ of those fake accounts, and it showed some pretty unsurprising results. If you hover over videos of X, it shows more of that - Kentucky, depression, romance etc. The only real discovery was the disparity between t…

I think the underlying point is that platforms are gearing their algorithms towards manipulation, and that a new user account has a pre-set path towards being rabbit holed to where most of the content they see can trap them into certain mindsets...

This worries me a lot, because people generally think they are choosing what they want to see, but the platform can shape the world views of many people all at once.

If you trap someone in a room and play violent videos for them all day long, when you let them out, they might come out thinking they'll have to fight for survival, just as an example.

Governments can encourage political chaos through subjecting people to certain types of videos through these platforms over time, and as another example, they can influence certain regions to start a riot or vote a certain way.

Behavioral psychologists are involved in algorithm development now just as much as developers and that's a big problem that most of the world, especially government regulators are totally unaware of.

I have a TikTok account, but only use it in really small doses because I found the suggestive content really was not good for my mental health. I hope more people realize that this is happening, and also understand the lies about potential for sharing independent work on platforms because the platforms are really not geared towards discovery of new content, they have very specific agendas and money making at the foremost behind them.

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#69

I doubt TikTok's algorithm is really so awesome. It's a legend they promote to hype up their brand. I know I'm not their target demographic as I'm in my 30s, but it fails completely to show me interesting stuff. Instead, it shows what it thinks I could like. I get a lot of odd videos that start of sexualized and then turn into a prank (its a TikTok genre apparently). Or videos of woodworking. Or asian cooks. It is ve…

Social media algorithms are rather simplistic now, and only geared towards taxonomy, but things will get a lot worse if people don't begin to properly contextualize the process of mental manipulation that carries on behind these closed doors. Entire platforms, any of them, can become corrupt and geared towards encouraging very bad things.

That statement is not geared towards TikTok specifically, all of them are already dedicated towards encouraging users to create content in hopes of success, but these platforms and even advertisers on the platforms can engineer massive campaigns that influence a lot of people to do potentially very bad things... They really don't care about independent content, and there's very little chance of being discovered, that content just allows them to cover up the underlying motives more perhaps.

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#70

For me tiktok is so depressing. I am single 25+ guy and seeing all those beautiful girls my age or younger makes me so sad. Than I can go to Tinder and match with pretty but not stunning girls and feel like I am getting robbed. And according to my friends I am easily in top 20% of attractiveness. Feel bad for rest of guys I guess this is life in 21 century. Governed by algorithms and feeling empty inside

Quit judging partners by looks alone. Looks fade, character that clicks with you likely won't.

The relationships I've had and hate most in my life are almost perfectly inversely proportional to how much time they spent trying to look 'beautiful.'

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