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The diet that really works

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Re: The diet that really works

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Blah blah blah blah blah. The entire article is just blah blah blah. The guy needs an editor to cut it to 10% of it's size. Is he paid by the word or something? He sure knows the art of saying nothing using many words. Heck I can summarize it in 2 words: Modified atkins.

Why did you need to waste all that time writing out that reply? Couldn't you have just said "Article sucks."?

Re: The diet that really works

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Diet doesn't really matter, I have a horrible diet I eat anything I want, I don't deny myself anything(junk food, fast food) but I'm in good shape because I work out an hour every day and burn off the calories I gain during the day.

You also need to consider the overall health effects of all the chemical additives in your food. Why dump those things into your body for the fleeting pleasure of succumbing to your lower brain.

Cuz my higher brain says it isn't bad.

Re: The diet that really works

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post #7

Blah blah blah blah blah. The entire article is just blah blah blah. The guy needs an editor to cut it to 10% of it's size. Is he paid by the word or something? He sure knows the art of saying nothing using many words. Heck I can summarize it in 2 words: Modified atkins.

It's easy to criticize 'blah blah blah'. But the style of the article is personal testimonial plus character study. It's going to include discursive storytelling, and it's not trying to boil down a diet/lifestyle/person to the fewest possible words. The cheapest form of criticism is to skewer a work for not meeting some ideal it wasn't even aiming for. DeVany is a very interesting and credible guy with a different sp…

I have no problem believing that marathons may be harmful to the human body. The reason I run marathons isn't primarily for the races themselves but rather for the motivation the races provide to get in shape. You can't easily wing it or cram for a marathon (Lord knows I've tried), so the races' looming deadlines provide an escalating urgency to one's workouts. The resulting workouts are fairly short (amateurs rarely run full marathons in training, and only hit high distances near the end), intense, and irregular (ie, increasing over time with rest days interspersed as opposed to the same routine every day) -- qualities which match DeVany's own recommendations for how to exercise as related in the TimesOnline article. For a guy who preaches that one should consider the whole of complex systems, his dismissal of marathons considers only the tip of the iceberg. I believe that the health benefits associated with my training will more than make up for whatever health risks I may face on race day.

Re: The diet that really works

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I was really surprised to learn that the horny old caveman was the same guy that wrote one of the most interesting papers I came across in media economics:

De Vany, Arthur & Walls, W. David, 1996. "Bose-Einstein Dynamics and Adaptive Contracting in the Motion Picture Industry," Economic Journal, Royal Economic Society, vol. 106(439), pages 1493-1514, November.

Re: The diet that really works

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the first article listed on t-nation.com and it starts up with this poignant observation about olympic swimmers: "I'm sorry but these dudes look like AIDS patients. Would it kill you to at least get a tan and not remind the world of the Holocaust? And could you butch up the sport a little bit? Because deep down I know the male divers I just saw are in shower right now, naked, loofahing each other's taut athlet…

Whenever I read t-nation, I'm struck by how self-conscious some of them are about being big. I see little regard for the fact that some sports don't require athletes to have enormous amounts of muscle mass.

It's the same on any site tho'. If you read crossfit.com you'd be struck by how smug they are about being smarter than everyone else about training.

Re: The diet that really works

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this explains why marathon runners are so fat.

Heh, you see plenty of fat people at marathons, if you've ever run one, and plenty of 'em finish too.

I've read every article on t-nation, I work out >20 hours a week, and I train for triathlons and marathons.

That being said, your statement is unfounded. If you're LIFTING, and lifting HEAVY, then yes, it doesn't make sense to go for more than 45 minutes, for exactly the reasons you stated.

However, cardio? People will see huge cardio benefits if they run for a long time. There's no "negative fitness effect."

Yes, you may burn muscle, but it's not like you're going to all together stop burning fat. In fact, when you hit glycogen depletion (the 'hitting the wall'), your body will switch energy burning modes entirely, and start burning a TON of fat.

I'm nit-picky about your statement because America, as a whole is in such a crisis. We look for any excuse to get out of exercise. Those idiots at the gym lifting 10 lb weights? Do you really think they're getting a good workout? They're not lifting heavy, and they can go far longer than 45 min doing 7 lb arm curls. What about those on the treadmill, walking for 45 minutes while talking on the cell phone?

As a society, we've become too used to everything being easy- we want an easy job with lots of money, we want to consume everything, and we want to be able to eat what we want, and just have the pounds come off.

Losing weight is hard. It takes discipline and focus. Now, especially in the two weeks of the Olympics, we should be able to collectively get off our fat asses and look at what some Americans have been able to accomplish with a ton of hard work and sacrifice.

Think Michael Phelps works out 45 min a day? All those gymnasts? Tyson Gay? So maybe you should step back, realize there's more to life than T-nation, and look at actual exercise science.

T-Nation is the equivalent of looking at some IT trade magazine talking about Java applets and their Web 2.0 capabilities. Yeah, it can be done. Is it the best tool for the job? No.

Re: The diet that really works

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why is food always the culprit? what ever happened to just increasing the amount of exercise you do? Michael Phelps seems to be doing ok on 10,000+ calories a day This also bothers me: "But what’s different about Arthur is, first, he is not selling anything, except for subscriptions to his website."

Let's check back in on Phelps in 20 years. If he's lucky, his current lifestyle won't have lasting effects.

On a related note, I met someone who swam for the US team in 1996. I won't name him or his event b/c it'd be mean to identify him, but let's just say the ensuing 12 years have done absolutely horrifying things to his waistline.

When I met him, I thought that there was no way he could be a swimmer!

Re: The diet that really works

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post #42
post #7

Blah blah blah blah blah. The entire article is just blah blah blah. The guy needs an editor to cut it to 10% of it's size. Is he paid by the word or something? He sure knows the art of saying nothing using many words. Heck I can summarize it in 2 words: Modified atkins.

It's in the Sunday Times, so it's meant to be a leisurely read (and most likely in the magazine section). The purpose isn't to convey as much info in as few words as possible.

So why does a leisurely read about a fad diet belong on Hacker News?

Re: The diet that really works

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as your calories out => calories in, it shouldn't matter. Should it?

Yes. Food isn't only calories. If it was, we'd be able to live off of nothing but sugar water. Food brings in not only calories, but various other nutrients that your body needs to keep itself in good condition. It can also bring in things that the body works hard to get rid of, and still do damage while they're being removed.

there are people that do live off sugar water! People in hospitals, people doing the master cleanse.

You really only need calories. It's a terrible life, and no fun, but you could live off sugar water + a multi-vitamin.

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