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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by morpheos137 »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #20
hart_russell wrote: post #7

I think it's too common a sentiment that psychoactive substances like cannabis and psilocybin are harmless and in fact are good for mental health. I've had adverse mental reactions to both and I would caution people with family history of anxiety.

A lot of marijuana smokers like to pretend weed smoke is somehow less harmful than any other smoke. It's still CO whether it comes from the tobacco or hemp plant. It's still bad and creates a tar residue in your lungs. Any time I bring that up, somehow I become anti-pot even though it's a genuine concern. Edit: Carbon Monoxide, not Carbon Dioxide. And some additions since this is a tad controversial. Here is one sour…

CO also in weed smoke is a hell of a lot more harmful than CO2.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by bobthechef »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

Ask yourself why people smoke weed in the first place. It isn't because they're temperate and psychically/spiritually/morally in order. Weed stupefies and dulls a person to certain unwanted feelings, like guilt or anxiety. That isn't any more medicinal than alcoholism.

In line with that, if what you write is true, it would be consistent with the idea that they have vices which cause them suffering which they then proceed to numb instead of dealing with the vices. So if they suffer from envy and pride, this will make them miserable people, so they smoke to numb the suffering. It's basically a way of coping with the consequences of denial about those vices: an intentional disintegration of the intellect to prevent conscious realization of one's vices because they can bear down on one's conscience. The only true way out is moral reform, but if you don't want to repent and face the consequences of repentance, if you are a slave to your pride and to your passions, then you will look for something else to kill the guilt and the pain.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by chucksta »

hattmall wrote: post #33
MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with this. I hang out at this one bar and this 22 year old I talk to really thinks he "gets it." Incredibly cocky and arrogant a lot of times. He's fun to talk to but when he get's on a major BS kick I gotta tune him out. I'm only 5 years older than him but the contrast in experiences is stark to say the least. It really makes me wonder if I was ever that arrogant too.

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"Some people tend to think they know what's better for others without really considering the impacts it may have."

That's hardly limited to that demo. Also generally chronic users aren't going to get that existential paranoia you get from casual use

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by jxramos »

hereforphone wrote: post #6
warent wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just sounds like people in their 20s in general, even without weed. Marijuana might make it seem worse because stupid ideas sound much more profound when we're high

Good point, I had in mind friends / acquaintances from 20s to 50s however.

yah I think there's something to this in an opportunity cost motivational angle. Basically there's a cost that comes to being in a high state which lowers your thresholds for profundity, satisfaction, deliciousness/appetite/taste.

Basically with the thresholds all lowered one becomes satisfied with things that are objectively lesser quality, less demanding of effort and work. One would be equally satisfied eating junk food as they normally would having eaten some gourmet meal. There's no fire under your feet to hustle or put in the time to need to learn how to cook some truly delicious meal let's say or develop skills that bring longer term satisfaction that takes a while before payoff. Motivation never needs to take off because the cheapest junk already meets ones pleasure and satisfaction needs so why bother.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by badloginnew »

mpol wrote: post #52
warent wrote: post #3

This would not surprise me at all. But I'm curious to know if they got the causation backwards. Maybe people with schizophrenia just have a higher likelihood of smoking marijuana

Or maybe both are happening. Some people like the high from THC, which might make someone go in the direction of psychosis, it can be very stimulating. For people whith a background of psychosis, they might like the CBD part, which makes them relax and feel less stimulated and aroused.

I think any research about cannabis that fails to distinguish thc/cbd and other important phenotypical traits of the plant will ultimately go nowhere. Thc and cbd have diametrically opposing effects. Marijuana is not one substance it is many.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by stevev »

eloisius wrote: post #44
hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

Same observation. I also smoked weed in my teens and early twenties and I remember it making some of the most banal horse shit ideas seem profound, or like I really understand how the universe clicked together. I bet hanging out with a bunch of stoners steeping in my own bullshit for another decade would make me a(n even more) pompous ass too.

I doubt this even happened lol.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by bobthechef »

Ccecil wrote: post #23
hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

It is entirely possible that this is a misunderstanding of their true feelings or intents. To quote Kat Williams "Weed has a chemical in it called F*k it..." Maybe when they use they are not having the same anxious feeling that the general public feels and they do not react to others who otherwise might be perceived as "more important" than them. This would appear to the person who typically views themselves as "more…

> Every life has value...every person is equal.

What was the point of that remark? Persons may be said to be of equal dignity, but no two people are ever equal, in value or otherwise. But what does that have to do with anything in this context? Are you reading things in? The OP was not making any point about rank, only haughty behavior which has no place no matter who you are.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by 74d-fe6-2c6 »

1) THC to CBD ratio in Cannabis has been intentionally increased in favor of THC.

2) Cannabis is more and more cut with synthetic cannabinoids which are notoriously bad for the brain and mind.

3) Long-term Cannabis use is not evenly distributed but focused on people with a certain personality open for such an experience.

4) Cannabis has been and still is illegal in most places. That alone will foster a tendency for paranoia.

5) Just as with other drugs, some people aren't able to control their consumption and that's never good for you.

6) Long-term Cannabis enjoyment in the face of prohibition will solidify the realisation that our society is inherently fascist and narrow-minded. (I can confirm that from personal experience.)

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by runawaybottle »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #18
warent wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just sounds like people in their 20s in general, even without weed. Marijuana might make it seem worse because stupid ideas sound much more profound when we're high

I agree with this. I hang out at this one bar and this 22 year old I talk to really thinks he "gets it." Incredibly cocky and arrogant a lot of times. He's fun to talk to but when he get's on a major BS kick I gotta tune him out. I'm only 5 years older than him but the contrast in experiences is stark to say the least. It really makes me wonder if I was ever that arrogant too.

Patronization is a strong suit many people (including myself) have nicely ironed at all times in our closet. Nothing is more fun than to put that suit on.

The question is, can we tolerate flawed people? Can we laugh about it? Can we let them rant and wear that suit from time to time?

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