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Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by alex_smart »

jimbob45 wrote: post #50
DoubleDerper wrote: post #21

The AirBnb "effect" has directly led to increased home prices. A home turning a profit thus becomes more important than how its guests impact a neighborhood and community. Ignoring or spinning the social costs is a primary goal of Airbnb's PR machine. It has made many neighborhoods more transitory (i.e. less homesteading, more short term rentals). Acknowledge the social costs to community and it's not surprising to r…

I’ve tried to tell this to people and I get blank stares every time. If you take an AirBNB house off the AirBNB market and put it up for sale, it’s like you just built a house for that community. Even better, the market for houses dips lower because of the increased supply. I really wish rental housing was banned. There is no real gain in productivity from allowing rental housing other than some scummy landlord who l…

>There is no real gain in productivity from allowing rental housing other than some scummy landlord who lives three states away getting a bit richer off of the dime of the actual residents in the city.

Aren't you completely ignoring the customers of AirBNB in this picture? Namely, the people who only visit the city for short periods of time?

Also, it is not very clear from your phrasing, do you mean that nobody should be allowed to rent at all? Like even with leases of 1 year or longer?

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by jimbob45 »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #58
jimbob45 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve tried to tell this to people and I get blank stares every time. If you take an AirBNB house off the AirBNB market and put it up for sale, it’s like you just built a house for that community. Even better, the market for houses dips lower because of the increased supply. I really wish rental housing was banned. There is no real gain in productivity from allowing rental housing other than some scummy landlord who l…

What if I can’t afford to buy a house? Do I need to get a loan from the bank? Do you also believe banks should be forced to lend money to people they don’t think will pay it back?

Get an apartment. Apartments are designed to best utilize space for those who need cheap and temporary housing. Houses take up far more space and unnecessarily contribute to sprawl when unchecked renting is allowed.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by Aboh33 »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #13
handmodel wrote: post #3

The article doesn't mention it - and I can't find it anywhere - but in any neighborhood what is the highest proportion of units that are short-term rentals. Five percent? Ten percent in the super touristy areas? I have no idea and even before the other flaws in the study I am skeptical than anything short of 20% would make an impact on any major attribute of an area. I see one stat in the paper that "40% of buildings…

Preface: this is just my opinion at this moment. I feel like trying to attribute specific numbers to the article's phenomenon is sort of a waste. It really only takes one individual who is significantly disruptive to change the perception of trust and safety in any given region. The only limit (where percentages and such start creeping in) is in the physical reach that individual has. Anybody who has lived in the sam…

I think it is a perception issue primarily and I think pretty hard to quantify though I can share my own experience: some time back neighbors sold and new owners came in and turned it into an airbnb.

Seeing constant different groups of people come and go has definitely made neighbors on the block uneasy. Who is to say someone staying in an airbnb is not scoping out the surrounding area for example?

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by jimbob45 »

alex_smart wrote: post #61
jimbob45 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve tried to tell this to people and I get blank stares every time. If you take an AirBNB house off the AirBNB market and put it up for sale, it’s like you just built a house for that community. Even better, the market for houses dips lower because of the increased supply. I really wish rental housing was banned. There is no real gain in productivity from allowing rental housing other than some scummy landlord who l…

>There is no real gain in productivity from allowing rental housing other than some scummy landlord who lives three states away getting a bit richer off of the dime of the actual residents in the city. Aren't you completely ignoring the customers of AirBNB in this picture? Namely, the people who only visit the city for short periods of time? Also, it is not very clear from your phrasing, do you mean that nobody shoul…

Hotels exist for largely the same capacity as AirBNB and tourists wouldn’t likely see much of a difference other than drastically reduced prices.

I mean houses shouldn’t be available to rent. Apartments are another matter entirely because they use space much more efficiently in a city.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by gzer0 »

handmodel wrote: post #19
jimmygrapes wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preface: this is just my opinion at this moment. I feel like trying to attribute specific numbers to the article's phenomenon is sort of a waste. It really only takes one individual who is significantly disruptive to change the perception of trust and safety in any given region. The only limit (where percentages and such start creeping in) is in the physical reach that individual has. Anybody who has lived in the sam…

As you said if there is a "that guy" in a neighborhood you'd feel unsafe and Airbnb is displacing those people. It's a trade-off. Its not like this about adding units to a neighborhood but specifically that there is less community if that's the case there are lots of Airbnbs (they said in the article that noise complains and crimes leading to rowdy behavior did not change). If someone was on the fence about whether t…

Knowing whether it was 5% or 40% makes no difference- either one could be enough to cause the negative consequences listed in the article. More studies would be needed to draw further conclusions.

You are beginning to create arguments that do not exist to justify your position. It is unfortunate that you resort to circular reasoning and logic to support a non-existant claim.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by hellbannedguy »

trident5000 wrote: post #45
cracker_jacks wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the difficulty of increasing supply has directly led to increased home prices.

Theres no supply because investors are hoarding them. Blackrock is buying out entire neighborhoods and thats really the tip of the iceberg compared to airbnb listings.

I would like to see a strict occupancy tax, or ban the amount of real estate a company/person can own.

Oh yea, require all real estate purchases to be American, or have legitimate relitaves residing here. We are selling our land with an to anyone in the world with money. I don't know of any country that makes it so easy for the wealthy to buy land.

I would love to know which countries allow real estate purchases like we do?

(I am against regulations, and more laws, but only for the little guys. Regulate big corporations like Blackrock, Facebook, Google. Regulate the big boys, so the little guys can begin to get ahead. Yes-I conflated two different industries.)

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by ojosilva »

As a user I love renting on these platforms, specially big city rentals. I'm sure airbnb style rentals contribute positively to the host city besides the sheer number of tourists. That includes the services economy surrounding rentals, which produce jobs in otherwise run-down places. Also newer tourist profiles, including long-haulers that engage differently with the city, from educational, to remote workers to health services patients. The whole change of dynamics has had a positive impact on tourism never seen before in places like Madrid, Oslo or Buenos Aires. It brings a fresh appeal to the old "life in the city" that is ephemeral yet profound and exciting.

As a resident I despise rentals. I want them away from my neighborhood. I'm glad cities like Barcelona limit them, but I believe they should be, instead, completely eradicated from central or dense neighborhoods and be taken, if anywhere, to specific, well researched into, suburbs that could actually get a boost from the rental economy. That is, given such "suburban rental benefit" concept even exists...

Otherwise, this fantastic hack into the hotel industry just rips too deep too fast into the delicate, slowly threaded fabric of our tightly knit neighborhoods.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

Twice I've booked airbnb's in buildings where it was not allowed, and I didn't find out until picking up the keys. It's incredibly frustrating (one of building had concierge who gave us hard time). Next time, I'll just go with a traditional hotel to avoid the stress.

Both times, I saw other groups of people with luggage coming in and out. So it likely was impacting multiple units in both buildings.

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