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Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

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Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

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"This is pretty incredible, for an average return of her stocks and options is 56.15%. The S&P, with its raucous best performing year, is only up 36% from last June"

Strange to compare against sp500 when her holdings are more aligned with NASDAQ, up ~50% from last June.

Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

#62

America is a plutocracy. Congress people (or their family) making money from their influence is about American as apple pie and pickup trucks. It takes money to get elected and stay elected, so rich people get elected. While they take advantage of their political power while elected to make money, they also make money after being elected as well, through speaking and other means. The whole point of this process is to…

She can be capitalist like you describe, she just shouldn't be allowed to serve in public office while she does it.

Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

#63

Shouldn't HN steer clear of things like this with a political slant? She is a very divisive figure and I don't see how this sort of article makes HN better.

This could be viewed as activism against all parties

> In the House and the Senate reports Mr. Whale showed that both parties, no matter their allegiance, seem to be trading and often legislating to benefit their own positions.

Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

#64
I'd be fine with politicians being paid more if it was completely illegal (with prison time) for them or their partners to do this.

Seems like the system is built in a way that encourages them to insider trade and throw kickbacks around to maximize their wealth while in power and after.

Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

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"Intrigued"? You mean suspicious?

Yes, deeply suspicious, I was trying to split the difference and not get political. I think it’s terrible. Members of Congress should not be allowed to own, trade, or have anything to do with the stock market. I always heard a rumor that members of Congress are always richer when they leave than when they entered. That should really piss Americans off, but it doesn’t depending on which party is in power, and which pa…

I disagree entirely. Markets are more effecient when these high information actors are allowed to interact with it. That said, it should be far more transparent.

Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Intrigued"? You mean suspicious?

Yes, deeply suspicious, I was trying to split the difference and not get political. I think it’s terrible. Members of Congress should not be allowed to own, trade, or have anything to do with the stock market. I always heard a rumor that members of Congress are always richer when they leave than when they entered. That should really piss Americans off, but it doesn’t depending on which party is in power, and which pa…

I think they should be able to own an investment portfolio, but while they are in office (and perhaps after, if they engage in lobbying) it should be in a blind trust.

Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

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I don't think it's mindboggling at all. It makes perfect sense that lawmakers would not make laws that negatively affect lawmakers. I also think that the amount of nonpublic information that congresscritters have access to is substantially overblown. The fact that they can pass laws affecting the industries is a bigger lever, in my view.

I guess what surprises me is how nakedly unethical it is. I'm not shocked that people in positions of significant power would use that power to enrich themselves unfairly. I am shocked at how little effort they make to hide it.

Because we’ve seen so many times that there are no consequences for this. Some people might get a bit mad, but it’s not like there are huge protests demanding change or cohorts voting out politicians who partake. If all politicians across the political spectrum also support it, what choice do people have at the polls?

Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

#68

Sorry if this is a stupid question - I've only seen options as a compensation mechanism. Can you buy options on the open market just like shares? If not, how do politicians end up with options?

Options are probably the most common mechanism for a person to leverage themselves. An out-of-the-money option will yield far more than simply buying a single share. That said, it's a lot more risky.

Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

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I don't think it's mindboggling at all. It makes perfect sense that lawmakers would not make laws that negatively affect lawmakers. I also think that the amount of nonpublic information that congresscritters have access to is substantially overblown. The fact that they can pass laws affecting the industries is a bigger lever, in my view.

... but it's a pretty big lever. And they don't even have to pass the laws; a person in position of authority can shock a market with a credible threat to take an action. Such a tool was actually used to disrupt a rice panic once. Without releasing any surplus, an announced joint intent to release surplus drove speculators out of the market. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/11/04/142016962/the-...

I remember Hillary Clinton doing that in 2016 with a single sabre-rattling tweet about the pharma industry.

Re: Pelosi and a lifetime of trading

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Of course. Classified intelligence reports and draft legislation negotiations are a great advisor.

It looks like she bought apple, amazon and nvidia. Not exactly obscure bets.

It's the timing, not that they are popular stocks.
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