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Anonymous & Lulz Security Statement to the FBI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm racking my brain to think of a way to make a government "listen." Nope, can't think of any.

Vote intelligently.

To get elected you usually need a lot of money and to get the money you usually need to cooperate with people with bad intentions.

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I wonder if they'll ever understand the people they're trying to protect are actually the victims in their actions. They hack Sony. Sony loses millions. How do you think they're going to recapture their loses? By passing the loss onto consumers. Increased prices for TV's, games, anything Sony makes is going to increase in price to recoup their loses. Clearly they haven't thought this all the way through.

Only of you believe myriad of attacks such as the Boston Tea Party were not well thought out.

In the short-term, they may have a negative impact on the general population. But the goal by many such actions is very longterm and seemingly worth the temporary raise in price etc. in the eyes of the protestors.

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I really do not understand why they cannot find someone to write for them who understands English grammatical rules. All I can think of when I'm reading that document are some troublemakers trying to justify malicious attacks. If they could write a decent press release, it might actually convince people that they are trying to do some some good in the world.

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Reminds me of the hacker's manifesto, but a lot less eloquent.

I find the idea of a bunch of 4chan, excuse me, "newfags" and "oldfags" frakking around the internet "for the lulz" and/or "shits and giggles" a lot more friendly and support-worthy than the same people rolling out a huge Robin-Hood/"the abused Davids striking back against Goliath Corps" banner and all in the name of "true justice" and "freedom". I miss the "wild wild west" internet a lot but the last thing we need i…

Not to mention it is hard to make a personal fortune doing it. Many Robin Hood-type figures around the world continue to rake in millions at the expense of the poor people they claim to rep. And yet, as a member of Lulz or Anon, the most you may gain is appreciation for your skill IF you put it on your resume. It would also get you arrested, effectively striking out one of the few ways to make a personal gain from this.

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In short, the minute I start deciding on my own when to break the law and disrespect other people's property rights because of a cause -- even a legitimate cause -- I become an enemy of everybody. ' [...] at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types…

That's not what MLK is saying at all. You don't get to break any law simply because one of them is unjust. Instead, you have no moral obligation to abide by immoral laws. If I feel like the speed limit is unjust, I should go about my business driving any speed I feel like. I do not, however, get to run over people while I'm doing it. If I feel like the law that protects my crooked neighbor's website is unjust, I have…

But isn't the issue that what makes a law "unjust" might not be obvious when it's broken?

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I certainly agree with their Goals and I see very similar flaws in many governments. I am not sure their way is the best way to make governments listen, but it certainly is one way that gets publicity. The issue with their publicity is that news networks do not broadcast their message, they broadcast their actions which in turn intimidates and scares the less tech-savvy portion of society. This does not achieve their…

I'm racking my brain to think of a way to make a government "listen." Nope, can't think of any.

yes, listening is not the strength of governments. Especially about things they do not understand and are made to fear. There are many computer privacy/copyright/net-neutrality bills that have been signed into law where I was wondering whether the people supporting the bill actually knew what it was about or its implications. We should instate a test on the content and application of each bill, if you pass you can support it and fail your vote doesnt count

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Let's see, "Make impassioned speech then go break into the neighbor's house and scatter his secret documents all over the lawn" That makes a lot of sense now, doesn't it? Perhaps if you're seven. And drunk. Aside from the validity of the charges, this manner of social justice never ever works for the people who try it. Good grief, did we learn nothing from Ghandi or MLK Jr.? There's a perfectly legitimate and effecti…

lulzsec and anonymous have already had effects on how companies and governments act. Who exactly acted 'peacefully' and 'within the law' so far against these companies and managed to get anything done lately?

Re: Anonymous & Lulz Security Statement to the FBI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote intelligently.

Even if your state elects the smartest senator there has ever been, he still becomes part of the massive lumbering machine. And the machine is only as smart as it's dumbest person. The US Government has so much baggage now that it's nigh impossible to make anything but superficial changes.

I agree with you, and so does Lawrence Lessig[1]. If more people got behind the cause he started called Fix Congress First[2], that might be a bit more effective than the approach of 'anonymous'. Or, perhaps, the combination of the two would be best.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig#Constitutional_... [2]http://fixcongressfirst.org

Re: Anonymous & Lulz Security Statement to the FBI

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Let's see, "Make impassioned speech then go break into the neighbor's house and scatter his secret documents all over the lawn" That makes a lot of sense now, doesn't it? Perhaps if you're seven. And drunk. Aside from the validity of the charges, this manner of social justice never ever works for the people who try it. Good grief, did we learn nothing from Ghandi or MLK Jr.? There's a perfectly legitimate and effecti…

Why is this the top, this is plain wrong. The context of activism throughout history has always led to some form of change, usually for the better. The reason is simple, drama, publicity and media bring about awareness.

Get you head out of your ass, nothing you said makes any sense.

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