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South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by kube-system »

hntrowaway837 wrote: post #51
kube-system wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is absolutely no question that SK's strict prevention measures are the cause of that. They were very strict from day one, no doubt because they were hit hard by SARS-CoV-1.

Really? "no question"? Aren't they also much healthier than, for instance, Americans? 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic, so I've heard recently.

Yes. To determine this, look at the total infection rate as well.

South Korea is 329.92 per 100,000 people

California is 9,712.28 per 100,000 people

France is 9,002.09 per 100,000 people

England is 8,004.18 per 100,000 people

Finland is 1,772.60 per 100,000 people

Taiwan, which also was hit hard by SARS... 64.13 per 100,000 people.

These people have already been through respiratory epidemics in their lifetime, and they were prepared.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by leppr »

yongjik wrote: post #53
BitwiseFool wrote: post #4

"Free Democracies" are passing the weirdest restrictions. It's mind boggling just how much power our governments are allowed to wield. I'm not even a libertarian and I think this is government overreach. So you're going to allow people to work out in gyms, but playing music that's too fast is somehow too dangerous to allow? Come on. If it was a real problem you'd just close the gyms again.

I don't follow this argument. By your own argument, the government could simply close the gyms - and it even has the power! But because they feared political backlash (this wonderful thing called "democracy"), the government made a stupid compromise and settled with a lesser (and less effective) restriction, and this proves that the government has too much power?

This is an arbitrary decision that a proper democratic decision making process would not end up on.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by yongjik »

hntrowaway837 wrote: post #51
kube-system wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is absolutely no question that SK's strict prevention measures are the cause of that. They were very strict from day one, no doubt because they were hit hard by SARS-CoV-1.

Really? "no question"? Aren't they also much healthier than, for instance, Americans? 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic, so I've heard recently.

Are you going to argue that Americans were much healthier (or, maybe, Koreans were much less healthier) six years ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Middle_East_respiratory_s...

Government response is a critical part of handling these diseases. We just spent a whole year running this experiment globally.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by hntrowaway837 »

kube-system wrote: post #61
hntrowaway837 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? "no question"? Aren't they also much healthier than, for instance, Americans? 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic, so I've heard recently.

Yes. To determine this, look at the total infection rate as well. South Korea is 329.92 per 100,000 people California is 9,712.28 per 100,000 people France is 9,002.09 per 100,000 people England is 8,004.18 per 100,000 people Finland is 1,772.60 per 100,000 people Taiwan, which also was hit hard by SARS... 64.13 per 100,000 people. These people have already been through respiratory epidemics in their lifetime, and th…

The infection rate is also commensurate with general immune system fitness.

Remember in bad covid what we observe is vascular system failure, and we know that chronic hyperglycemia damages blood vessels. Combine that with non functional immune systems and this is what you get.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by hntrowaway837 »

yongjik wrote: post #63
hntrowaway837 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? "no question"? Aren't they also much healthier than, for instance, Americans? 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic, so I've heard recently.

Are you going to argue that Americans were much healthier (or, maybe, Koreans were much less healthier) six years ago? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Middle_East_respiratory_s... Government response is a critical part of handling these diseases. We just spent a whole year running this experiment globally.

It depends on the disease, covid is immensely correlated with diabetes / metabolic syndrome, which is rampant in many western countries with America at the top.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by leppr »

SllX wrote: post #29
BitwiseFool wrote: post #4

"Free Democracies" are passing the weirdest restrictions. It's mind boggling just how much power our governments are allowed to wield. I'm not even a libertarian and I think this is government overreach. So you're going to allow people to work out in gyms, but playing music that's too fast is somehow too dangerous to allow? Come on. If it was a real problem you'd just close the gyms again.

A democracy is just government by its people. People will try to pass any sort of law they fancy will do the thing they want it to do, whether or not it actually will is besides the point. The quality of the government is still going to be a factor of the quality of the people that a government can be drawn from, and legislative branches are often the most powerful in a free society precisely because if they could sp…

> A democracy is just government by its people.

In theory yes that's what Democracy originally meant.

In practice the "democracies" we know are "government by some group of popular noblemen" not by "its people".

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by BitwiseFool »

yongjik wrote: post #53
BitwiseFool wrote: post #4

"Free Democracies" are passing the weirdest restrictions. It's mind boggling just how much power our governments are allowed to wield. I'm not even a libertarian and I think this is government overreach. So you're going to allow people to work out in gyms, but playing music that's too fast is somehow too dangerous to allow? Come on. If it was a real problem you'd just close the gyms again.

I don't follow this argument. By your own argument, the government could simply close the gyms - and it even has the power! But because they feared political backlash (this wonderful thing called "democracy"), the government made a stupid compromise and settled with a lesser (and less effective) restriction, and this proves that the government has too much power?

In essence, closing the gyms is a straightforward action the government can take. The government is exercising their power, but the scope is limited.

By allowing the gyms to remain open only if they implement a multitude of restrictions based on a tier system seems like the government is intervening with a greater scope. Closing the gym is simple, they have the authority to do that. Telling gyms they cannot run treadmills past 6 km/h and cannot play music faster than 120 bpm seems like a much bigger exercise of power than telling the gyms they can't be open. Was the ability to make such detailed restrictions granted by law? Or only assumed to be allowable in the name of public health?

Does my perspective seem a bit more approachable using that lens?

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

#68

Post by hntrowaway837 »

yongjik wrote: post #63
hntrowaway837 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? "no question"? Aren't they also much healthier than, for instance, Americans? 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic, so I've heard recently.

Are you going to argue that Americans were much healthier (or, maybe, Koreans were much less healthier) six years ago? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Middle_East_respiratory_s... Government response is a critical part of handling these diseases. We just spent a whole year running this experiment globally.

My government had a very prompt response with some of the harshest lockdowns, and I observed people respecting the rules. I can't not believe my eyes.

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by hntrowaway837 »

kube-system wrote: post #61
hntrowaway837 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? "no question"? Aren't they also much healthier than, for instance, Americans? 50% of Americans are pre-diabetic, so I've heard recently.

Yes. To determine this, look at the total infection rate as well. South Korea is 329.92 per 100,000 people California is 9,712.28 per 100,000 people France is 9,002.09 per 100,000 people England is 8,004.18 per 100,000 people Finland is 1,772.60 per 100,000 people Taiwan, which also was hit hard by SARS... 64.13 per 100,000 people. These people have already been through respiratory epidemics in their lifetime, and th…

And what exactly did they do SO much better? My country wore masks, no social gatherings, distancing. What more?

Re: South Korea to ban music over 120bpm in gyms, in response to Covid spike

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Post by sugardough »

hntrowaway837 wrote: post #57
sugardough wrote: post #50

South Korean here and I just wanted to add some thoughts. The real reasoning for the ridiculous ban is because they've been shutting down the gyms whenever the numbers spike but can't anymore because the business owners are in a desperate state because of the prolonged shutdowns. So it's their way of saying please don't to the gyms while avoiding a total outlash from the gym owners. Obviously how well we're managing…

Out of 51.7 million people, SK has had about 2000 covid deaths. How could SK have been anywhere near "total medical system collapse"?!

When the hospitals run out of beds, it's a collapse in the system. It's not a "total medical system collapse" since it lasted a day or two and the number of people affected was small (probably around 10-100), but the situation could have easily been worse and we would have had one like new york last year.
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