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Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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I've heard, anecdotally, of people losing their airpods often. I haven't yet, but curious how common that problem is? It must be a thing, since Apple lets you use your devices to find your missing AirPods, and they are even part of the FindMe network. I've sometimes wondered how many AirPods have been flushed down toilets around the world. Even if only .001% of AirPods meet their demise this way, considering the numb…

I flushed the right ear of my Airpods pro. I bought a new pair the next day because I use them all day for video calls because they're so convenient.

What did everyone in the video call hear in the right audio channel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruCsYGL3QlY&ab_channel=Lesli...

Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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This seems way too conveniently dismissive of the environmental issue. Apple is the 800 lb gorilla that sets industry expectations. They have been gluing batteries and making repair difficult across their product line for a decade. This leads to higher consumer costs and manufactured goods filling landfills prematurely. As one of the most visible companies in the world making repair difficult, the criticism is well-d…

> This leads to higher consumer costs and manufactured goods filling landfills prematurely. Citation needed. Apple claims, and I'm fine with taking it with a grain of salt, that because batteries aren't replaceable like old Nokia phones, they can make the battery larger, possibly reducing consumer costs and how often batteries are changed. It's not just Apple, either. Consumers seem to not care.

It seems obvious to me that this is true at least with laptops. And whatever costs are saved by a 5% larger battery must surely be offset by the higher costs of replacement when the battery ultimately dies?

I don't know it's so clear to me that this is true that I've not felt the need to research it. By all means if you have sources to the contrary I'd be happy to read them.

To me, we could save significant environmental waste if everything we manufactured was made to be repaired. I designed several pairs of 3D printed headphones [1] which are now the only headphones I wear, and the idea that I can replace any part if it breaks seems significant to me.

[1] https://github.com/tlalexander/reboot-headphones

Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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Generic electronics recycling is very expensive. I had to recycle an old 55" rear projection TV and it cost $150. Good luck getting the average person to pay that instead of disposing of it (illegally). Blame your municipality. When I lived in the southwest, the city required the trash companies to pick up or recycle EVERYTHING for free. From old paint to batteries to giant tube TVs to washing machines. Everything, o…

That just moves the cost of recycling to the public. The public shouldn't have to bear the costs of the negative externality of other people's consumption. It is also essentially a regressive tax since the wealthy consume/dispose of more goods. Also most areas don't have a single exclusive trash service (monopoly). Furthermore, single stream recycling in America, on average, is a complete failure. The portion of stuf…

That just moves the cost of recycling to the public

The public has an interest in a clean desert, since the desert surrounding the city was the primary source of recreation for the people living there.

It is also essentially a regressive tax since the wealthy consume/dispose of more goods

Trash fees were based on the assessed value of your home, so the wealthy paid more in trash fees than the poor.

Also most areas don't have a single exclusive trash service (monopoly).

As noted in the original comment, there were multiple trash companies in this city. All had to adhere to the same rules.

single stream recycling in America, on average, is a complete failure

It wasn't single stream. There were four bins. One each for garbage, glass, metals, and plastics.

I'd either expect such a trash/recycling service (as you describe) to be quite expensive or actually recycle very little of relative to what could be recycled.

I rented my house, so I couldn't tell you if it was expensive, or not. But as I stated above, the price was based on the value of the home. I doubt anyone ever changed their mind about buying a house because the cost of trash disposal in City A was $10/month more than in City B.

If the manufacture's & end consumers of goods were forced to confront the cost of disposal at the time of purchase it would create a large incentive for companies to make products with less waste and products that are easier to recycle.

I agree. But that's not the reality today. We may get there 50 years from now, but people don't want to live surrounded by 50 years of garbage in order to fulfill a social theory.

The goal isn't to just to recycle everything that currently can be recycled but to make everything easy to recycle.

Which was exactly what this did: Make it easy for people to recycle everything that could be recycled.

Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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That's what this company does, too.

No, they actually open them up and swap the battery and resell, i.e. refurbishing. Apple just throws them away.

According to the company's web site, they send you replacement AirPods before you send your old ones in. So no, they are not replacing your batteries and sending them back to you.

Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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That might be what's already happening behind the scenes though. They tell you you're at 10% but that's actually 30% for example

For cars, maybe, but my org has had a long line of HP laptops with swollen battery packs within a year of use. No doubt there are companies out there that would rather have the extra hour of runtime on some journalists review fact sheet than a battery that doesn't put their customers at risk.

There's another side as well though - a failing battery will stop working unpredictably, which is also very bad for business/productivity.

Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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For cars, maybe, but my org has had a long line of HP laptops with swollen battery packs within a year of use. No doubt there are companies out there that would rather have the extra hour of runtime on some journalists review fact sheet than a battery that doesn't put their customers at risk.

I hope all those gets replaced under warranty? I hounded Dell for months and got them to replace I guess 2 or 3 dozens of Optiplex DL270 motherboards and it felt good: forcing them to take the cost for their shoddy work.

They do but in the meantime you got a laptop that only works off AC.

Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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> last multiples of the time I would get out of wired earphones, which always die in a few months from work-hardening the copper wires until they break Hmm... > It's just the Discourse in action... I'm fairly confident that for minutes of pleasure / embodied energy, AirPods score higher than almost anything else I own, certainly among things with a battery and chip It's interesting to reduce environmentalism to "joy…

You misread me, my case was joy * time / embodied energy. How else should we justify the use of energy except through such means? Subjectively I mean, I wouldn't suggest actually quantifying it. I don't burn energy in the winter because I like to spend money, I do it because there's an interior temperature below which I'm miserable. Once I've achieved that homeostasis, the only think left to me is to do it with as li…

I own AirPods, I like them, but it sucks that they die when their battery dies, and they have to be thrown away for pretty much no good reason - just because that's how Apple designed it, and it could have many design priorities, and one of those priorities is to not throw nice shit away after two years.

In the spirit of advancing curiosity, it was interesting to just see, is it possible to reduce environmentalism to something like "joy * time / embodied energy"? Bitcoin is mined because a bitcoin is worth more than the electricity used to mine it, so if your joy * time is "making money quickly" - which it is for a lot of people! - it seems really attractive to mine bitcoin but it isn't environmentally friendly.

Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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I've heard, anecdotally, of people losing their airpods often. I haven't yet, but curious how common that problem is?

I'm mostly losing them in my bed since the Airpods are a solid, partner-compatible way to fall asleep to music.

My biggest annoyance with the Airpods Pro is that no one sells custom molds. The right one fits with the small plug, but none of the three sizes that ship with the Airpods seem to be compatible with my left ear, it's extremely loose. In any case it's uncomfortable walking with them out on the streets or driving with my bike simply because I'm always afraid they will randomly fall off and get lost or destroyed.

Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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As someone who gets a ridiculous amount of use out of their pods, I really hope this business pans out. I think the product is great, but batteries are consumable products. In fact, I would hope that one day it would be mandatory to offer battery replacements for all products you sell. (Do correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think Apple currently does this for pods?)

Look at an airpod. Why should the battery be consumable but not the airpod? They have about the same amount of electronics. The average airpod user throws out more than an airpod's worth of plastic per day. I get junk mail with electronic trash that is bigger than an airpod.

Airpods are used with iPhones that have 20x the amount of electronics, so should last 20x as long.

People's real concern is the price which is higher than they guess because they think airpods are like regular headphones in longevity.

Re: Podswap: Keep airpods alive and out of the landfill

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That might be what's already happening behind the scenes though. They tell you you're at 10% but that's actually 30% for example

For cars, maybe, but my org has had a long line of HP laptops with swollen battery packs within a year of use. No doubt there are companies out there that would rather have the extra hour of runtime on some journalists review fact sheet than a battery that doesn't put their customers at risk.

That's heat damage not discharge.
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