Coming to Terms with Tailwind • Hacker News Board

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by Wolfr_ » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

leephillips wrote: post #26

One sentence in the article suggested that, ideally, people making websites would just learn CSS , but since that‘s an unrealistic expectation (why?), Tailwind can be useful if you have big team of “front-end engineers” who don’t quite understand the markup languages that they use in their jobs. I can’t argue with that. But it suggests that if you work alone or in a small group, actually learning CSS might make more…

I'll try and clarify what I mean here. Tailwind seems to appeal to devs who feel they never fully grasped CSS + design.

Because it provides a copy-pastable subset of reliable classes where you end result will look good.

As a company we are often hired to fill a knowledge gap (exactly in design and front-end). The nature of agency work is to leave a deliverable for the client to work with.

My idea is that when the project is over and the design/front-end gap still exists in the team, perhaps it is better to leave something more manipulatable (I used the word malleable originally).

I think with the great docs that Tailwind has it might be easier for someone who is not a front-end dev to manipulate a `` to `` than to come across a BEM/ITCSS component, written in SCSS* where you have to understand much more concepts to manipulate it skillfully.

*(our preferred stack really)

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by cageface » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

hnedeotes wrote: post #3

Sincerely I don't understand what's the appeal of tailwind. It's just one more sign of dementia to add to the landscape.

Here's a tip: if a lot of smart, informed people have a very positive view of a technology but it doesn't click for you, it may not be the right tool for you but it very likely is not a "sign of dementia".

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by brightball » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

jf22 wrote: post #46

brightball wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After years of wrestling with what the “right” UI framework was and marrying your project to the syntax and rules, Tailwind has entirely removed that concern from my life. https://www.brightball.com/articles/thank-you-tailwindcss

Can you explain how you aren't married to Tailwind's syntax and rules?

It’s just a series of small parts that’s a convenient step up from using inline styles. And you can easily modify it.

You can do anything you want with it without a reliance on predefined widgets, modals or layouts key to a specific framework.

If you want that, there’s TailwindUI but it’s by no means necessary.

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by aniforprez » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

tinco wrote: post #52

stanmancan wrote: post #29

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There’s a difference between disagreeing and being an ass. If you wanted to engage with them then try to have a conversation. All you did was say how terrible it was and not to use it. Big difference. Nobody owes you their attention.

Twitter blocking is not about owing attention, a Twitter block prevents the blockee from seeing your tweets. The company is basically punishing Wolf for their critical tweet. No one is owed anyone in this scenario, but it's just crappy behaviour from Tailwind. They probably are just tired from the negativity, I mean just look at their site the framework does look terrible, they even admit to this with this quote on t…

This kind of crap is the reason it's much easier to block people who can't contribute or formulate proper criticisms and focus on properly submitted GitHub issues. All this is just noise

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #58

croes wrote: post #41

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He just disagrees if using tailwind is a good idea. Where is the problem that justifies blocking?

> Where is the problem that justifies blocking? You can block anyone on social media for any reason or no reason at all and you don’t have to justify it to anyone.

An individual, absolutely. But a company? The arguments in favour of “you can block anyone for any reason” don't really apply.

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by jancsika » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:33 PM UTC

This article makes the same equally persuasive point if you substitute the word "crack" for "Twitter."

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by leephillips » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:33 PM UTC

Sr_developer wrote: post #59

theflyinghorse wrote: post #23

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I personally wouldn't trust a person who can center a div on the first try - something isn't right with them! What makes me concerned with tailwind is that its yet another API to remember. Why would I pick it over material UI with some theming or chakraUI? Why Did you pick tailwind over material or chakra?

And I wouldnt trust a person who cannot detect exaggeration for effect. It indicates severe lacking of understanding social clues.

Friendly suggestion: read the comment that you’re replying to, and the comment that it is replying to, at least one more tome each.

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by unknownOrigin » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

PhilipTrauner wrote: post #20

> Tailwind UI’s Figma file has the highest level of quality I’ve ever seen in an external Figma file This cannot be overstated. The included Figma file alone is arguably worth Tailwind UI's asking price.

I can't be the only one who hears "Figma" for the first time ever. From a quick google it appears to be an Illustrator like vector format?

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by chrisseaton » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #65

chrisseaton wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where is the problem that justifies blocking? You can block anyone on social media for any reason or no reason at all and you don’t have to justify it to anyone.

An individual, absolutely. But a company? The arguments in favour of “you can block anyone for any reason” don't really apply.

Sure, as long as it's not based on a protected characteristic or an interaction subject to a regulation. You have no right to interact with a company otherwise.

Re: Coming to Terms with Tailwind

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Post by leephillips » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

cageface wrote: post #62

hnedeotes wrote: post #3

Sincerely I don't understand what's the appeal of tailwind. It's just one more sign of dementia to add to the landscape.

Here's a tip: if a lot of smart, informed people have a very positive view of a technology but it doesn't click for you, it may not be the right tool for you but it very likely is not a "sign of dementia".

Oh yeah? What about C++?