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Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by snuxoll » Sun, Jul 04, 2021, 7:06 PM UTC

nodejs_rulez_1 wrote: post #25

karmakaze wrote: post #24

> [...] DevOps is dead; the amount of DevOps engineers [...] Post misses the point of DevOps--there aren't DevOps engineers, there are engineers that do their own devops.

I waited and learned it for a bit but nobody seems to be raising salaries for me to know that crap in addition to other full-stack stuff, so NO, there are DevOps engineers and they get good money for me not to deal with that garbage for essentially free.

Aye, none of the devs on my team want to deal with infrastructure - they want to push their code and have it go to production. I deal with all that garbage so they don’t have to.

I think the title “DevOps Engineer” is a bit of a misnomer, though; my team as a whole does DevOps, I build and maintain the platform.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by redis_mlc » Mon, Jul 05, 2021, 7:36 AM UTC

detaro wrote: post #55

redis_mlc wrote: post #5

- DevOps originally was supposed to eliminate Operations (Sysadmin) staff by involving Dev with the Infra and Release process. - But Dev is incentivized to create features, not know the intricacies of Release at scale, so dedicated Devops (Operations) teams were again staffed - dedicated DevOps teams are here to stay except in certain unique scenarios. For example, I've seen some Indian-led SV startups that hate Oper…

> DevOps originally was supposed to eliminate Operations (Sysadmin) staff It wasn't. It was supposed to break down the model of Dev and Ops being separate silos that don't work together well and don't understand/respect each others concerns.

So ... as I said, an attempt to eliminate Operations (nobody is firing their devs, who create features.)

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by karmakaze » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 10:14 AM UTC

snuxoll wrote: post #61

nodejs_rulez_1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I waited and learned it for a bit but nobody seems to be raising salaries for me to know that crap in addition to other full-stack stuff, so NO, there are DevOps engineers and they get good money for me not to deal with that garbage for essentially free.

Aye, none of the devs on my team want to deal with infrastructure - they want to push their code and have it go to production. I deal with all that garbage so they don’t have to. I think the title “DevOps Engineer” is a bit of a misnomer, though; my team as a whole does DevOps, I build and maintain the platform.

I think team members do varying amount of DevOps but everyone should be involved. When writing code thinking about observability and monitoring, watching deploys as they go out, checking back on things randomly or intermittently whenever there's an inkling to do so, etc.

Re: DevOps is dead. But what will replace it?

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Post by bobbydreamer » Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 6:52 PM UTC

No. DevOps will stay and there will be SREs as well and there will be a hybrid of this combination as well

DevOps actually didn't break the barriers at all. It just created more roles inbetween Developers, testers and operations and brought in more tools. So people in operations are asked to use the Devops tools as organization has already bought it.