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Tesla Model S Plaid caught fire while driver was at the wheel, says fire chief

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Re: Tesla Model S Plaid caught fire while driver was at the wheel, says fire chief

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Every time something like this happens, people point out that gas powered cars catch fire much more often than electric ones. Quote: "That’s five fires for every billion miles traveled, compared to 55 fires per billion miles traveled in gasoline cars." So why don't I want to own an electric car? Because my assumption is that the typical electric car fire happens while it is being charged, whereas the typical gas-powe…

I knew a guy growing up who's gas car caught fire in his garage while it was parked and burned it down. I think your assumptions about when and how different kinds of cars catch fire are wrong.

Ok, but why do you think they are wrong? Your first sentence isn't enough to tell me.

An anecdote is a data point, but it's only one, and I've got my own.

I have seen a car on fire by the side of the road, and I've also owned a car with a history of recalls for issues with the fuel injection that caused fires for some owners. I've also heard of (read about) people who had fires that started under the hood while driving.

Another point is that while sometimes old cars have messed up wiring either because of design issues or amateurs messing with it, on the whole, I'm more confident it's still working as designed than my home, especially when I'm driving something in the 0-10 year range.

My home will be used indefinitely, and I don't know for sure what people may have done to the wiring over several decades before I lived in it. But I've seen some stuff.

Re: Tesla Model S Plaid caught fire while driver was at the wheel, says fire chief

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post #24

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I knew a guy growing up who's gas car caught fire in his garage while it was parked and burned it down. I think your assumptions about when and how different kinds of cars catch fire are wrong.

Ok, but why do you think they are wrong? Your first sentence isn't enough to tell me. An anecdote is a data point, but it's only one, and I've got my own. I have seen a car on fire by the side of the road, and I've also owned a car with a history of recalls for issues with the fuel injection that caused fires for some owners. I've also heard of (read about) people who had fires that started under the hood while drivi…

I think most electric car fires are the result of serious damage to a vehicle from a serious crash. I don't believe there are any documented cases of a Tesla catching fire in a private garage and burning the owner's house down. There are some instances of them catching fire in public garages but it isn't clear those incidents aren't arson.

Gas cars have electrical systems that cause them to catch fire. There are loads of news stories about gas cars catching fire in private garages. It isn't clear they are less risky in this regard than an EV.

The stat of fires per miles driven isn't saying that fires only happen while driving it is just a way of comparing the relative prevalence adjusted for the fleet size and usage.

Re: Tesla Model S Plaid caught fire while driver was at the wheel, says fire chief

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I'm not sure I'd buy a car without a single mechanical interior door handle. Sure, there might be a mechanical backup to the electronic door handle. But will I remember to use it in an emergency?

I recently pulled over to help a Model S driver with a flat. Every doorhandle on the car had a thin zip-tie looped under it because the "present" mechanisms no longer functioned. One had to tug the zip tie to manually force the handle out of its flush position before being able to grasp it. Quality. The poor guy was stuck in the summer desert heat, waiting for a tow with a flat in a ~5000lb luxury sedan too heavy to…

Holy shit - it has _no spare at all_ and no run-flat tyres? That is totally insane to me - living in the country, I hate the idea of the donut spare, but at least you can drive a reasonable distance on it.

Re: Tesla Model S Plaid caught fire while driver was at the wheel, says fire chief

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post #63

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Ok, but why do you think they are wrong? Your first sentence isn't enough to tell me. An anecdote is a data point, but it's only one, and I've got my own. I have seen a car on fire by the side of the road, and I've also owned a car with a history of recalls for issues with the fuel injection that caused fires for some owners. I've also heard of (read about) people who had fires that started under the hood while drivi…

I think most electric car fires are the result of serious damage to a vehicle from a serious crash. I don't believe there are any documented cases of a Tesla catching fire in a private garage and burning the owner's house down. There are some instances of them catching fire in public garages but it isn't clear those incidents aren't arson. Gas cars have electrical systems that cause them to catch fire. There are load…

> a Tesla catching fire in a private garage and burning the owner's house down

The thing that sticks in my mind is that Ford had some issues with their charging cable and had a big recall to substitute one with a (presumable 50 cent) thermistor.

I guess there is a very general sense in which I associate electric cars with electronics where the tiniest software or hardware error can be catastrophic, whereas I expect that the scope of problems is easier to limit in a conventional vehicle. Like, gas powered cars rely heavily on electronics, but if a specific sensor or something goes out, they tend to have a "limp home" mode, and mechanical failures are planned for in the worst case.

I observe that shipping a lithium ion battery is a big deal, considered hazardous. They have brought down aircraft in the past. So I would tend to discount people saying that they are only an issue in a collision, just because without particular numbers, I see people worrying about spontaneous combustion. Due to manufacturing defects, I guess.

Re: Tesla Model S Plaid caught fire while driver was at the wheel, says fire chief

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time something like this happens, people point out that gas powered cars catch fire much more often than electric ones. Quote: "That’s five fires for every billion miles traveled, compared to 55 fires per billion miles traveled in gasoline cars." So why don't I want to own an electric car? Because my assumption is that the typical electric car fire happens while it is being charged, whereas the typical gas-powe…

I think you're much more likely to have a counterfeit/faulty USB C cable that somehow makes its way to you lead to a fire with any of several objects containing Li-Ion that people tend to have in their houses anymore. EV charging systems are pretty robust and fail-safed.

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Re: Tesla Model S Plaid caught fire while driver was at the wheel, says fire chief

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Even with the door shut it’ll put itself into park if I lift my butt off the seat while in neutral in a car wash.

Do you also have the seatbelt unlatched? My S only does this if the seatbelt is also off.

Tested. Seatbelt off, door open, Model S shifts to park within 1-2 seconds. Even when shifting to another gear from park, it shifts back to park rapidly if door is open and driver seatbelt is unbuckled. Seatbelt on, door open, vehicle does not shift to park.
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