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Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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ALittleLight wrote: post #53
nchase wrote: post #38

The behavior Kiwi Farms encourages seems like it should be illegal. How is this not murder?

What did Kiwi Farms do? I tried looking up their comments on him[1] but only sampled some at random rather than reading all of their comments. It certainly seems cruel and mean spirited. Some more recent comments are flippant or celebrating the suicide - but it isn't clear to me that they did anything other than be mean to Near online. Am I missing something? 1 - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunaku…

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Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by kbenson »

ALittleLight wrote: post #53
nchase wrote: post #38

The behavior Kiwi Farms encourages seems like it should be illegal. How is this not murder?

What did Kiwi Farms do? I tried looking up their comments on him[1] but only sampled some at random rather than reading all of their comments. It certainly seems cruel and mean spirited. Some more recent comments are flippant or celebrating the suicide - but it isn't clear to me that they did anything other than be mean to Near online. Am I missing something? 1 - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunaku…

There's a lot implied in the doc linked from twitter, if not spelled out. Particularly troubling is the alleged targeting of friends and family.

That said, it's one side, and not even from the source, but from someone's interpretation/understanding of what happened to the source, so I'm being careful to not assume much. The quick-take might be the correct take in this case, but that doesn't mean I'm comfortable with using it.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by GPerson »

ALittleLight wrote: post #53
nchase wrote: post #38

The behavior Kiwi Farms encourages seems like it should be illegal. How is this not murder?

What did Kiwi Farms do? I tried looking up their comments on him[1] but only sampled some at random rather than reading all of their comments. It certainly seems cruel and mean spirited. Some more recent comments are flippant or celebrating the suicide - but it isn't clear to me that they did anything other than be mean to Near online. Am I missing something? 1 - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunaku…

Is being cruel and flippantly celebrating a suicide not condemnable enough?

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by LocalH »

colanderman wrote: post #58
Klonoar wrote: post #41

I'm sure some will disagree, but I'd argue this should be a black bar moment. So many of us grew up in the early-to-late-2000s internet, likely on many of the forums that touched on emulation. Near/byuu's achievements in emulation/game preservation are insane and arguably unmatched, and they also posted here from time[1] to time[2]. So sad to see this all unfold. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=near

Another vote for black bar. Near was inspirational and a true hacker. @dang, can we get one?

I second that as well

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by gtvwill »

farias0 wrote: post #55
Forge36 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moderation feels irrelevant if the host is unwilling out encouraging the behavior. I wonder if they best approach it better DNS blocking. ISPs forced to comply with law, however alternate DNS "get the full internet" are left legal. I want to be careful with opening the door to banning sites/people from the internet. I can't imagine leaving the system in place as-is an acceptable solution.

I have a feeling moderating online speech is a losing game. There will always be platforms such as 4chan and KF willing to provide a space to any kind of speech. Maybe I've become too cynical, but I've come to accept that the only way to not be bullied or harassed online is to not expose yourself too much online, such as through compartmentalizing different aspects of your online social life through different social…

Eh bullying could be culled on many platforms with a simple rule. Require photo ID for an account. Bit hard to insight violence when your able to be held accountable.

Tbh should be mandatory for a FB account and Twitter given their large hold on social media. They want to allow non verifiable or accountable users. Give me the user the ability to block interaction with all non verified accounts. Problem mostly sorted.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by drag0nite »

Why has anybody not commented on the bizarre behavior outlined in this tweet? He stayed on the phone for over an hour, while this person was presumably hanging themselves, without trying to help in any way whatsoever? If this story is true, then they didn't intervene during a key time that person could've been saved. Quite frankly, I am not believing this until there's confirmation.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by ALittleLight »

GPerson wrote: post #64
ALittleLight wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did Kiwi Farms do? I tried looking up their comments on him[1] but only sampled some at random rather than reading all of their comments. It certainly seems cruel and mean spirited. Some more recent comments are flippant or celebrating the suicide - but it isn't clear to me that they did anything other than be mean to Near online. Am I missing something? 1 - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunaku…

Is being cruel and flippantly celebrating a suicide not condemnable enough?

I don't think it is the same as murder or should be illegal.

Just yesterday YouTube recommended me a video about an Australian YouTuber facing legal trouble for being mean to an Australian government figure. The laws he may, or may not, have run afoul of use similar language about online harassment. The YouTuber claims to be calling attention to corruption and poor governmental practice.

To me, the Australian YouTuber drama epitomizes a bad possible result of making online bullying illegal. Such laws will be used to squash genuine dissent - not just jerks.

I do think the cruel people celebrating a suicide should be morally condemned. I would think less of people who do that. I wouldn't advertise there, work there, etc. But I don't think it should be illegal and it is not similar to murder.

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by undfg »

enby1 wrote: post #60
ALittleLight wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did Kiwi Farms do? I tried looking up their comments on him[1] but only sampled some at random rather than reading all of their comments. It certainly seems cruel and mean spirited. Some more recent comments are flippant or celebrating the suicide - but it isn't clear to me that they did anything other than be mean to Near online. Am I missing something? 1 - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunaku…

KF exists solely for harassment, doxxing, etc. They generally hate furries, LGBTQ+, streamers, "e-girls", really anyone. They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc.

>They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc.

So like Twitter mobs? :P

Re: Near, the emulator developer of bsnes, higan, and more, has died

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Post by to11mtm »

umvi wrote: post #23
philpem wrote: post #11

Posted this on the other thread ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27653450 ), I'll copy it here... I don't really know what to say here. I didn't know them personally, but I saw their work and was truly stunned. Most people don't achieve in their entire lives what Near (aka Byuu) did in their comparatively short one. To say I was impressed is an understatement. I simply don't have the words. What happened, shoul…

> There needs to be a wider discussion of responsibility of hosting providers for the actions of their customers How about holding the actual bullies accountable instead of shifting accountability to the ISP/Host? What happens in real life (i.e. outside the context of the internet) if bullies harass someone with hate mail until that person commits suicide? Does the blame shift away from the bullies to USPS or FedEx f…

One challenge that may be perceived is that while 'eggshell rule' exists [0], any wrongful death case involves a jury of people, a decent portion of which would rather not think about the damages their own bad actions towards others have caused.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

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