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Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by jefftk »

fooey wrote: post #60
fumar wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying all of Privacy Sandbox APIs are dead or just FLoC?

Personally, I don't think the concept is a problem the industry can solve on their own. If Google wasn't having anti-trust worries, maybe they could force it to happen, but it's too blatant now. My assumption is 3rd party cookies die to regulation, and nothing gets enough consensus to replace them.

Why don't you think the browsers can agree on replacements? Most of the major browsers have proposals for replacing some piece of advertising-related third party cookies [1][2][3].

(Disclosure: I work on ads at Google, speaking only for myself)

[1] Safari: https://github.com/privacycg/private-click-measurement

[2] Edge: https://github.com/WICG/privacy-preserving-ads/blob/main/Par...

[3] Chrome: https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-privacy/privacy-sandb...

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by fumar »

fooey wrote: post #60
fumar wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying all of Privacy Sandbox APIs are dead or just FLoC?

Personally, I don't think the concept is a problem the industry can solve on their own. If Google wasn't having anti-trust worries, maybe they could force it to happen, but it's too blatant now. My assumption is 3rd party cookies die to regulation, and nothing gets enough consensus to replace them.

I see this as a natural evolution of the web. The existing web standards and protocols no longer meet security or privacy user needs. Ideally, we do create better open standards. Apple’s Private Relay is great, but its gated off to paying customers.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by dheera »

jefftk wrote: post #56
dheera wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't use Safari or any AppleWare but I disable 3rd party cookies in Chrome and I can't download files from Google Drive unless I temporarily enable it.

I just tried it: * On Safari it works correctly with default settings. * On Chrome with third party cookies disabled it doesn't work and takes you to https://support.google.com/drive/answer/2423534 I poked around in dev tools, and it looks like what's happening is in serving to Safari it gives a download link that includes authentication information, but when serving to Chrome it doesn't. Perhaps because it's expecti…

Hm. Maybe I can just spoof my user-agent as Safari when using Google drive.

Kind of ironic that I need to spoof as non-Google device to use a Google product with a Google browser.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by toper-centage »

PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #40
iamben wrote: post #37

Not defending cookies - but I just don't think most of the rest of the world cares . Outside of the tech bubble that really cares, I'm not sure I know a single non-tech person that, other than 'the popup', even knows what a cookie is (let alone gives a damn). 99% of my non-tech friends/relatives are just bored of 'the box thing that comes up every time you visit a website'. No one it them and everyone just clicks the…

Just because people don't understand the technical details doesn't mean they don't want the outcome. Like how 96% of iOS users asked apps not to track them. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o...

Turns out, when you follow the GDPR and make it as easy to give as it is to remove/reject consent, people will generally reject consent to be tracker and personally identified unnecessarily.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by nr2x »

koolba wrote: post #34
bootlooped wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome still lets you block third party cookies. Not with an extension or some low level tweak; it's just in the settings.

Is there a use case for third party cookies outside of ad tracking? I’ve had it disabled for years and don’t recall it breaking any website I actually care to use.

Basically it’s deprecated technology, anybody using for “legit” reasons needs to migrate to a new solution anyway.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by thrashh »

PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #40
iamben wrote: post #37

Not defending cookies - but I just don't think most of the rest of the world cares . Outside of the tech bubble that really cares, I'm not sure I know a single non-tech person that, other than 'the popup', even knows what a cookie is (let alone gives a damn). 99% of my non-tech friends/relatives are just bored of 'the box thing that comes up every time you visit a website'. No one it them and everyone just clicks the…

Just because people don't understand the technical details doesn't mean they don't want the outcome. Like how 96% of iOS users asked apps not to track them. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o...

When you get prompted with a mandatory dialog that you must answer where one of the two choices offers no clear benefits, of course no one is going to pick that one. This is a meaningless statistic.

That’s why phrasing questions and choices in any kind of poll or survey is a complex subject if the goal is to ensure minimal bias.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by karottenreibe »

thrashh wrote: post #66
PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because people don't understand the technical details doesn't mean they don't want the outcome. Like how 96% of iOS users asked apps not to track them. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o...

When you get prompted with a mandatory dialog that you must answer where one of the two choices offers no clear benefits, of course no one is going to pick that one. This is a meaningless statistic. That’s why phrasing questions and choices in any kind of poll or survey is a complex subject if the goal is to ensure minimal bias.

What would then be a way to phrase the question with minimal bias in your opinion? What are these benefits I'm missing out on when I deactivate tracking?

Also, judging by the screenshot in the article, Apps can show text to justify the tracking, so they have all chances to phrase that with bias in their favor! Still people don't want it.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by thrashh »

karottenreibe wrote: post #67
thrashh wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you get prompted with a mandatory dialog that you must answer where one of the two choices offers no clear benefits, of course no one is going to pick that one. This is a meaningless statistic. That’s why phrasing questions and choices in any kind of poll or survey is a complex subject if the goal is to ensure minimal bias.

What would then be a way to phrase the question with minimal bias in your opinion? What are these benefits I'm missing out on when I deactivate tracking? Also, judging by the screenshot in the article, Apps can show text to justify the tracking, so they have all chances to phrase that with bias in their favor! Still people don't want it.

I don’t know. I’m not saying it should be.

I’m just saying Apple clearly built this modal to encourage everyone to press no.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by xnx »

We know: * FLoC is less useful than third-party cookies for tracking visitors. * Google won't stop supporting third-party cookies until a replacement (like FloC) is available

Yet, in these threads I see both statements: * Google is pushing FLoC to help its ad business. * Google won't kill 3rd-party cookies because it would hurt their ad business.

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