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Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

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Post by Aardappel »

leephillips wrote: post #60
Aardappel wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bottom download link points you to GitHub, where you can get exes straight from CI, if you trust that more. I've looked into getting https from my site, but there's always a high cost associated, if you want a certificate that's widely accepted (which doesn't seem to hold for the free ones). And I think my host isn't even compatible with free ones. If the web wants HTTPS everywhere, this somehow needs to be made…

You must have looked into LetsEncrypt. I’m not aware that there is any serious problem with acceptance of their certificates, is there?

Looks like there isn't since 2018.. somehow last time I looked into it there still was. Now I only have to change hosts..

Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

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Post by leephillips »

Aardappel wrote: post #59
sprobertson wrote: post #58

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> If the web wants HTTPS everywhere, this somehow needs to be made simpler/cheaper for non-commercial entities. Cheaper as in free? https://certbot.eff.org/about/

Looks like I still would need to change hosts to use that.

You just need access to your web server configuration, which usually means root access to the hosting machine.

Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

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Post by [deleted] »

Aardappel wrote: post #48
taco_emoji wrote: post #40

Not sure I want to download an EXE from a non-SSL site...

The bottom download link points you to GitHub, where you can get exes straight from CI, if you trust that more. I've looked into getting https from my site, but there's always a high cost associated, if you want a certificate that's widely accepted (which doesn't seem to hold for the free ones). And I think my host isn't even compatible with free ones. If the web wants HTTPS everywhere, this somehow needs to be made…

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Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

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Post by Aardappel »

leephillips wrote: post #62
Aardappel wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like I still would need to change hosts to use that.

You just need access to your web server configuration, which usually means root access to the hosting machine.

The current host is 1and1.. I don't think they support that, since they desperately are trying to sell you their own certificates. Also is shown on the certbot site with a big red cross :) Either way, probably a good reason to finally switch hosts.

Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

#65

Post by vidarh »

Aardappel wrote: post #34
vidarh wrote: post #12

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My understanding is it's written pretty much only for his own needs, so I'd imagine usability is fine for him. He's on here (username strlen) but doesn't comment much - maybe he'll chicken me in.

(author of treesheets here) not sure who username strlen is, but it's not me :) But yes, TreeSheets was initially designed just to be perfect for my needs. It has existed since 2008 though, so it has plenty of general usability tweaks for others since. The computational sub-language is indeed very weak. It can at least do `sum` though, which is 99% of my uses of spreadsheets :)

Huh, I was sure it was you for some reason. Sorry for the confusion.

I was a customer of Amiga E back in the day, and keep occasionally checking your site, maybe that's how I got it into my head. [And Aardappel the language has fascinated me ever since I saw it on your site]

Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

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Post by ilaksh »

You don't have a donations link anymore.. I guess since it only added up to like $2000 over many years? And then I am also guessing that sometimes people might donate $100 and then kind of expect you to code a new feature for them?

Anyway, it's your business but I just wanted to encourage you to research that stuff again. Patreon, and a bunch of startups and other projects (I think there is something in GitHub and maybe even one or more cryptocurrency ones) could possibly change the donations situation somewhat. Possibly.

But thank you for making it free and coming in here. Personally I find it inspiring to see such an interesting and useful project made by an individual.

By the way, I see the scripting is in a language you created called Lobster http://strlen.com/lobster/

How do you use a script in TreeSheets? Is that documented somewhere?

Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

#67

Post by Igelau »

samstave wrote: post #31
vidarh wrote: post #23

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Argh. This will teach me not to write comments on my phone. "Chicken me in" is of course meant to be "chime in".

I prefer "chicken me in" and it should be a thing. So chicken me in on something, what is it, exactly, that you'd say you do around here?...

I'm going to chicken me in here to tell you to go duck yourself.

Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

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Post by Igelau »

vidarh wrote: post #23
vidarh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is it's written pretty much only for his own needs, so I'd imagine usability is fine for him. He's on here (username strlen) but doesn't comment much - maybe he'll chicken me in.

Argh. This will teach me not to write comments on my phone. "Chicken me in" is of course meant to be "chime in".

It feels like something from British or Australian English. Chicken me in and put another shrimp on the barbie.

Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

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Post by Aardappel »

vidarh wrote: post #65
Aardappel wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(author of treesheets here) not sure who username strlen is, but it's not me :) But yes, TreeSheets was initially designed just to be perfect for my needs. It has existed since 2008 though, so it has plenty of general usability tweaks for others since. The computational sub-language is indeed very weak. It can at least do `sum` though, which is 99% of my uses of spreadsheets :)

Huh, I was sure it was you for some reason. Sorry for the confusion. I was a customer of Amiga E back in the day, and keep occasionally checking your site, maybe that's how I got it into my head. [And Aardappel the language has fascinated me ever since I saw it on your site]

Thanks! I presume you've seen Lobster? http://strlen.com/lobster/

Re: Treesheets: cross-platform, free-form data organizer app

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Post by Aardappel »

ilaksh wrote: post #66

You don't have a donations link anymore.. I guess since it only added up to like $2000 over many years? And then I am also guessing that sometimes people might donate $100 and then kind of expect you to code a new feature for them? Anyway, it's your business but I just wanted to encourage you to research that stuff again. Patreon, and a bunch of startups and other projects (I think there is something in GitHub and ma…

Yes, 2K over 10 years, for 15$ a month. Not worth keeping that going, given the expectations.. $100 for a feature does not make sense for me.

I am on GitHub Sponsors (https://github.com/aardappel) but really only use that if you feel very strongly about it, since it is never going to compete with my day job. Getting people on patreon etc also requires a lot of "marketing" I don't have time for.

There's not a ton of examples of the scripting functionality yet, but here's one: https://github.com/aardappel/treesheets/blob/master/TS/scrip... and the reference (view file locally, sorry): https://github.com/aardappel/treesheets/blob/master/TS/docs/... Beyond that you'd need to check out the language site to learn more on how to use it :)

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