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Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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dukeofdoom wrote: post #52
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

As someone not getting the vaccine. I'll explain my reasoning. At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. And much better treatments are around the corner. Thus a 1% mortality rate for the elderly, with multiple co-morbidities, will be even lower for someone my age should I get it at some point. Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body, sometimes have side effects. I won't even…

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Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by dboreham »

causality0 wrote: post #28
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

Yeah. I had complete loss of smell and taste, which came back about 90% over the next six weeks. It was fine for a month and then it went wonky. Probably 30% of my "scent spectrum" has now been replaced with the same burnt meat smell/taste. Everything from chocolate to feces to hamburgers now has the same core odor. It really, really sucks.

My cousin (20s) lost his sense of taste and hasn't recovered it months later. Son (teen) lost his for a week then recovered it. Reports however that he has pernanently lost his sense of thurst. Ymmv.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by rubidium »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #52
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

As someone not getting the vaccine. I'll explain my reasoning. At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. And much better treatments are around the corner. Thus a 1% mortality rate for the elderly, with multiple co-morbidities, will be even lower for someone my age should I get it at some point. Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body, sometimes have side effects. I won't even…

Appreciate the candor. Agree odds are low now of getting it.

When you’re healthy you get the vaccine for others, not yourself.

Studies so far show no difference in baby outcomes.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by dukeofdoom »

dntrkv wrote: post #59
dukeofdoom wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone not getting the vaccine. I'll explain my reasoning. At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. And much better treatments are around the corner. Thus a 1% mortality rate for the elderly, with multiple co-morbidities, will be even lower for someone my age should I get it at some point. Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body, sometimes have side effects. I won't even…

> Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body So does the virus. And all of our data shows the virus is much, much worse.

yes, but by taking the vaccine 100% chance of doing that. Virus, only if I get it.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by dboreham »

ekianjo wrote: post #36
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

> we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. As in, 90% (probably more because asymptomatic people are never tested) of people actually have no symptoms at all and seem to go along fine with it? Or are you talking about something else?

Study suggests the "90% who are fine" may not all be fine.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by lima »

ganzuul wrote: post #33
lima wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And did they do the same study against people who got the flu and other diseases? Does this matter?

Hard to tell in advance, without the information. Was this a flippant dismissal or a genuine question?

Genuine question.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by ch4s3 »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #52
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

As someone not getting the vaccine. I'll explain my reasoning. At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. And much better treatments are around the corner. Thus a 1% mortality rate for the elderly, with multiple co-morbidities, will be even lower for someone my age should I get it at some point. Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body, sometimes have side effects. I won't even…

> until more is known about long term effects

I'm curious about this line of reasoning. We've been testing mRNA treatments for other diseases for about 25 years now. The approach was abandoned for gene therapy because the effects weren't long lasting. We have follow up data on people who participated in those studies, and to my knowledge there aren't any documented negative long term effects. We know what the vaccine encodes, a spike protein, which is produced for a few weeks and the the mRNA wears out and is cleaned up by the cells. The proteins also don't persist in the body for very long. The other ingredients in the vaccine aren't anything special.

History also demonstrated that negative vaccine reactions typically happen quickly, and not years down the line.

With all of that in mind, why would one be concerned with long term effects? Is there something I'm missing? Is the position one of maximalist caution? If so, are you applying that to other areas of your life?

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by b0sk »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #52
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

As someone not getting the vaccine. I'll explain my reasoning. At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. And much better treatments are around the corner. Thus a 1% mortality rate for the elderly, with multiple co-morbidities, will be even lower for someone my age should I get it at some point. Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body, sometimes have side effects. I won't even…

> At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small.

That's because the herd around you has been vaccinated. So you are OK with others getting vaccinated for your benefit but wouldn't do your part to benefit the herd. Awesome!

Maybe your post is parody. Can't really tell.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by username90 »

TaupeRanger wrote: post #54
ganzuul wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call me stupid for waiting to get vaccinated... But I'm not stupid enough to base that decision on a Twitter thread. The problem I have is that inclusive discussion is being suppressed, and I can't make a decision based on clearly biased information. ref. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY

The video you linked is removed.for violating guidelines, which I'm guessing means it had a conspiratorial slant. Discussion does not have to include unsupported or crackpot claims to be "inclusive".

I am pro vaccine, but youtube moderators are not subject matter experts, they are unskilled volunteers with very simple guidelines such as (made up rule by me, I don't fully know): "remove any video discouraging people from getting vaccinated". Therefore youtube removing a specific video doesn't say anything about the quality of its content, just that some random guy thought it violated the guidelines he was given. For example, for a long while youtube banned every video talking about covid no matter the stance.

Re: Brain imaging before and after Covid-19 in UK Biobank

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Post by MAGZine »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #52
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #4

I wish I could get people that are avoiding the COVID vaccine “because we don’t know what the long term effects are” to realize that we have real data showing that there are long term effects from getting full blown COVID. You don’t want a tiny piece of mRNA but you want the whole organism reproducing in your body? The whole genome and all the proteins made?

As someone not getting the vaccine. I'll explain my reasoning. At this point, the odds of getting COVID are small. And much better treatments are around the corner. Thus a 1% mortality rate for the elderly, with multiple co-morbidities, will be even lower for someone my age should I get it at some point. Vaccines introduce a foreign substance 100% of the time into your body, sometimes have side effects. I won't even…

There ultimate treatment has arrived in the form of prevention. The urgency to develop covid specific therapeutics has dissipated for the same reason "your chance of getting it is lower."

Though even that is highly dependent on where you live, who you interact with, if you travel, etc. Lots of vaccine skeptics tend to share views and group, which makes conditions ripe for mini-outbreaks.

"Other people got the vaccine so I don't have to" is logic that looks sound on the surface but I think recent skepticism has shown that enough people all playing this card has the potential for disaster/devestation that is easily avoided.

Anyhow, you should talk your physician about this stuff, who is an authority who can give you information and help diffuse worried in a meaningful way.

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