https://www.fbijobs.gov/
Shame, I smoked a blunt 3 months ago in California. I'll try again next year!
How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
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Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#62This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.
It doesn't say what these coders make. But, as with the dealers, it's likely tax free, so even "minimum wage" is better than it sounds.
Unfortunately, very often it's not lead-free.
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#63Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…
This doesn’t in any way downplay your point, I just noticed this sentence and it made me think: “The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development.” It’s probably natural for most folks on HN to consider “googling problems” an obvious, basic first solution - but I’m always stunned by how many people in real life, outside of the IT industry, don’t have that path in th…
>> For some reason, they’d rather flail around or ask a real human (often me) for help,
When I was briefly in sales before becoming a developer, I had a co-worker who, for the life of her, could not remember how to do a soft-line break in MS Word. She literally would ask me at least once a day. I finally just printed the keystroke (shift + return) on a sheet of paper and when she would peer over the cube, I'd just hold it up and she'd sit down again.
Even in our sales group, the majority knew to use Google to get answers to all kinds of technical questions. But you're right, there's still a big group of people who are unaware or too lazy to go there first.
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#64Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…
This doesn’t in any way downplay your point, I just noticed this sentence and it made me think: “The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development.” It’s probably natural for most folks on HN to consider “googling problems” an obvious, basic first solution - but I’m always stunned by how many people in real life, outside of the IT industry, don’t have that path in th…
Agreed. The layperson for the most person does not know how to search effectively. Even among my developer friends today who are competent, if they can't find something, they come to me. I have a knack for finding things that are difficult to find - going back all the way to when AltaVista was the best search engine around - I can't really explain it.
My parents, in-laws, etc... they all say on a pretty regular basis that they have trouble finding what they're searching for. Google tries really hard to return relevant results (which actually annoys me because I really, really, really want it to search for exactly what I typed - by default.)
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#65This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.
If I recall correctly many had regular jobs that even paid better.
The idea of a full time 'career criminal' guy who works at it full time without another job seems less common than people seem to think.
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#66Getting hired is just applying to another job posting. The interview process is two-step, with a project-based technical component. The job itself is also two-step: first year is similar to contract work, with good employees brought into the fold not long after. It looks like DOJ is trying to make an example out of some lowly frontend/freelance developer. Her work includes: - creating a "web panel used to access vict…
I mean, surely if one isn't absolutely clueless it would be pretty obvious what is being developed. Sure, she didn't code the active part of the malware, but the types of information being passed & displayed would almost certainly tip off what her employer was up to. I'm sure they know what a front-end dev does, none of that sounds like something beyond the job description.
It does seem shitty that all the other suspects had their names redacted except her, she likely wasnt high level in the organization, so singling her out like this is shitty. If the other suspects are still under investigation, react all the names until they can be made public. But that's a legal, not technical, issue.
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#67This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.
Can confirm, mostly dealt drugs to be cool. Way too much risk for almost no reward. Was an idiot and thought I was contributing to the culture but after leaving the game I still get questioned if I'm a cop and get no respect from the paranoid dealers where I moved to. I thought we were a society :(
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#68This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.
If I recall correctly many had regular jobs that even paid better. The idea of a full time 'career criminal' guy who works at it full time without another job seems less common than people seem to think.
Most drug dealers I know just do it to achieve a lifestyle they wouldn't normally be capable of with their existing job(s).
Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#69Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
#70https://www.fbijobs.gov/
Shame, I smoked a blunt 3 months ago in California. I'll try again next year!
I wonder what the stats are on how many amazing candidates they are losing because someone had an edible on a weekend 9 months ago.
“Sorry, you admitted you drank a beer 6 months back. Try again in a couple of years and don’t drink!”