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Re: D3 7.0

#61

Post by slumpt_ » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 9:06 PM UTC

j-pb wrote: post #57

slumpt_ wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your post comes off really condescending and shitty. I don’t think it’s necessarily true, either. I think a lot of newbies might just find the Observable stuff a bit overwhelming. Maybe their background isn’t JavaScript. That does not mean they aren’t gonna understand. What are you even suggesting. They aren’t capable? We must all look like ants to you, up there. As a dev with over a decade of experience in the front…

> Mike is trying to shove Observable down everyone’s throats in hopes of getting a good valuation and selling it some day That's an allegation that completely contradicts mikes and observables behaviour to date. They are insanely obsessed with making the barrier of entry of observable as low as possible, give most of the code away as open source, and are more concerned about empowering minorities than having a workin…

Oof. Man. Your attitude is what makes software less diverse and hospitable.

I know there are some folks who maybe come with sincere laziness, but the hard push with observable complicates an already complex thing. You don’t have to agree.

Keep being mad or whatever and shitting on newcomers to the field. I’ll stick to welcoming folks and trying to hear the merit in their complaints.

Re: D3 7.0

#62

Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

j-pb wrote: post #57

slumpt_ wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your post comes off really condescending and shitty. I don’t think it’s necessarily true, either. I think a lot of newbies might just find the Observable stuff a bit overwhelming. Maybe their background isn’t JavaScript. That does not mean they aren’t gonna understand. What are you even suggesting. They aren’t capable? We must all look like ants to you, up there. As a dev with over a decade of experience in the front…

> Mike is trying to shove Observable down everyone’s throats in hopes of getting a good valuation and selling it some day That's an allegation that completely contradicts mikes and observables behaviour to date. They are insanely obsessed with making the barrier of entry of observable as low as possible, give most of the code away as open source, and are more concerned about empowering minorities than having a workin…

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Re: D3 7.0

#63

Post by j-pb » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 9:33 PM UTC

slumpt_ wrote: post #61

j-pb wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mike is trying to shove Observable down everyone’s throats in hopes of getting a good valuation and selling it some day That's an allegation that completely contradicts mikes and observables behaviour to date. They are insanely obsessed with making the barrier of entry of observable as low as possible, give most of the code away as open source, and are more concerned about empowering minorities than having a workin…

Oof. Man. Your attitude is what makes software less diverse and hospitable. I know there are some folks who maybe come with sincere laziness, but the hard push with observable complicates an already complex thing. You don’t have to agree. Keep being mad or whatever and shitting on newcomers to the field. I’ll stick to welcoming folks and trying to hear the merit in their complaints.

Don't turn this into a diversity argument. We need more diversity in software from more diverse backgrounds. We just need less people in software in general. Especially less mediocre ones.

Guess who drives out female talent? Mediocre male white nerds who think they know it all and who don't have the open mindedness to learn tools like observable.

ObservableHQ is one of the most impactfull diversity pushing companies I've seen, but you accuse them of some ulterior motives for having the audacity of writing and hosting amazing D3 docs.

Re: D3 7.0

#64

Post by slumpt_ » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 9:42 PM UTC

j-pb wrote: post #63

slumpt_ wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oof. Man. Your attitude is what makes software less diverse and hospitable. I know there are some folks who maybe come with sincere laziness, but the hard push with observable complicates an already complex thing. You don’t have to agree. Keep being mad or whatever and shitting on newcomers to the field. I’ll stick to welcoming folks and trying to hear the merit in their complaints.

Don't turn this into a diversity argument. We need more diversity in software from more diverse backgrounds. We just need less people in software in general. Especially less mediocre ones. Guess who drives out female talent? Mediocre male white nerds who think they know it all and who don't have the open mindedness to learn tools like observable. ObservableHQ is one of the most impactfull diversity pushing companies…

Haha, alright bud. You enjoy your weekend.

Re: D3 7.0

#65

Post by gaws » Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 12:35 AM UTC

Vaslo wrote: post #19

Used this in a data viz class and I’d say it’s overkill for most visualizations. Also very difficult to learn and frustrating to implement with all the “enter, exit” stuff. Excel, Tableau, etc so much easier and most of what you need to do visualizations in the corporate setting. Obviously it’s excellent for very specialized unusual visualizations but it’s rare those are really needed.

> Excel, Tableau, etc so much easier and most of what you need to do visualizations in the corporate setting.

D3 is the best way to make visualizations online. Yes, it requires learning the library and building things from scratch, but it's light years better than the dog shit modules Tableau offers.