Based on a quick Cmd+F this document doesn't explicitly define what 'Account deletion' must be. Does it just mean that the user does no longer exist on the app's frontend, but all data is retained? Or does it explicitly mean that all data relevant to that user is deleted?
Apps supporting account creation must also offer account deletion
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#62This is great on Apple’s part for enforcing this for every account based app, now if only HN offered account deletion…
Or indeed, deletion of your comments. The way dang explained it to me was that each comment thread is a shared work created by multiple people rather than a collection of individual comments. Since you don’t own your comments, you can’t delete them. He is very accommodating about requests to disavow comments from your account. But I don’t expect people on HN to complain about this. They hold every other website to ab…
Yeah, HN privacy standards are really low. I was horrified to read of moderators using the email addresses that they say are for account recovery to contact commenters. (Thankfully I never put an email in my account; I'd definitely have felt the need to send a GDPR notice if that happened to me). I assume that sooner or later an EU resident will decide they actually want to quit and force the site to buck up.
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#63Now do subscriptions. For all the people who fall prey to misleading tactics and don’t know how to cancel.
I think that's already there. If you subscribe using the app store subscription mechanism you can see a list of subscriptions in your account settings, including unsubscribe buttons.
My point is for that to also be in the downloaded app, since the new rule requires account creation and deletion to both be in the same place - which I think is a natural place to look for it as a user, savvy or not.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d never heard of the “Hotel California business model.” Googled it - for others: Hotel California is a song by the band The Eagles, which contains the lyrics: “Relax," said the night man, "We are programmed to receive You can check out any time you like But you can never leave!"
Can someone explain it to me, though? Logically, after you check-out of a hotel you've surrendered your right to abode at that location - after that you're usually limited to common/shared areas like the lobby, bar, restaurant, maybe the pool - but excepting the lobby those places are closed at night - and they'd have security to remove people from the lobby if necessary - so as far as the Eagles' are concerned, what…
From Wikipedia:
> The song has been described as being "all about American decadence and burnout, too much money, corruption, drugs and arrogance; too little humility and heart." It has also been interpreted as an allegory about hedonism, self-destruction, and greed in the music industry of the late 1970s. Henley called it "our interpretation of the high life in Los Angeles", and later said: "It's basically a song about the dark underbelly of the American dream and about excess in America, which is something we knew a lot about."
Hotel California is, of course, not literally a hotel; it's a metaphor for an addictive and entrapping lifestyle, and your legal "right to abode at that location" is a real-world detail that doesn't really matter for the purposes of the metaphor. The singer wants to get out -- by "checking out" he has declared his intentions to leave the hotel, but the point of the song is that wanting to leave is not the same as actually leaving.
It's a bit more obvious if you consider the full verse:
> Mirrors on the ceiling / The pink champagne on ice / And she said: "We are all just prisoners here / Of our own device"
> And in the master's chambers / They gathered for the feast / They stab it with their steely knives / But they just can't kill the beast
> Last thing I remember, I was / Running for the door / I had to find the passage back / To the place I was before
> "Relax," said the night man / "We are programmed to receive / You can check out any time you like / But you can never leave!"
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#65>If your app doesn’t include significant account-based features, let people use it without a login...Apps may not require users to enter personal information to function, except when directly relevant to the core functionality of the app or required by law. If your core app functionality is not related to a specific social network (e.g. Facebook, WeChat, Weibo, Twitter, etc.), you must provide access without a login or via another mechanism.
Ok, shoutout Apple for this. But shouldn't they apply their policy intent to themselves too? I can technically use an iPhone without an AppleID, but you need to login to download apps. I would argue installing apps shouldn't require a login.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is that iCloud is not an app. The account you are referring to is a phone account, not app account. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Everything is an app and nothing is an app. I opened my bank account through an app. Is iCloud more important than my bank account? “iCloud is not an app and does not need a delete button through the same UI” is a double-standard cop out. Delay the deletion by 2 weeks if it’s really that dangerous, but they should still allow it.
Arguably, yes, for some people, iCloud is more important than, or as important as, their bank account if their iCloud is used for disaster recovery of their primary computing device data, including passwords. Maybe even the password for their bank account.
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#67>If your app doesn’t include significant account-based features, let people use it without a login...Apps may not require users to enter personal information to function, except when directly relevant to the core functionality of the app or required by law. If your core app functionality is not related to a specific social network (e.g. Facebook, WeChat, Weibo, Twitter, etc.), you must provide access without a login…
Not all apps are free and persistent purchases tied to a user account are certainly preferable to needing to keep a list of license keys handy every time you delete and reinstall an app, etc.
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#68Expectation: Apps offer account deletion, finally empowering the user. Reality: Apps no longer support seamless account creation and instead redirect the user to a website to register, user can no longer manage any aspect of their account from the app.
What are your assumptions?
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is that iCloud is not an app. The account you are referring to is a phone account, not app account. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Everything is an app and nothing is an app. I opened my bank account through an app. Is iCloud more important than my bank account? “iCloud is not an app and does not need a delete button through the same UI” is a double-standard cop out. Delay the deletion by 2 weeks if it’s really that dangerous, but they should still allow it.
You can delete all of your data from iCloud through Settings.
Simply uncheck everything e.g. Photos and it will be instantly removed.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is that iCloud is not an app. The account you are referring to is a phone account, not app account. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Why isn’t it an app? What’s the criteria for something being an app?
An app is a program that launches, does something and exits.
iCloud is an "always on" cloud storage/sync service where you choose what data you want to use it for.