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Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by yread »

perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

Seems reasonable. Maasvlakte is a comparable project: an artificial island (20 km2 while this island is "only" 2.8km2) outside Rotterdam harbor and it was built over 25 years (1974-1997)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasvlakte (Dutch wiki has much more info: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasvlakte )

Another comparable project is the new Strandeiland in Amsterdam

https://www.amsterdam.nl/projecten/ijburg/deelprojecten-ijbu...

1.5km2, started this year, fully complete in 2040. But it's built in shallow, tide-less Ijsemeer not in the sea so it's a lot easier

EDIT; the Dutch out of necessity have plans for up to 2200: https://www.delta.tudelft.nl/article/keep-our-feet-dry-new-n... “One day with a sigh of relief we will give up this country to the waves.”

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Post by Hamuko »

mongol wrote: post #60
manexploitsman wrote: post #54

Wouldn't it be cheaper and better for the environment to buy some land off Germany or Sweden? Once the deal is sealed, they could start building the city the very next day.

Why do you think part of Sweden is for sale?

Yeah, countries are usually unwilling or incapable of turning over their land to another country.

Back in 2016, the Norwegians had an idea to gift Finland a new highest peak by shifting the border between Finland and Norway just a bit as Finland was due to celebrate its 100th year of independence. However, it never actually went anywhere since it'd be unconstitutional for Norway to start splitting off its country.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37662811

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Post by keiferski »

londons_explore wrote: post #57
keiferski wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite the same, as it’s already completed, but John Malkovich made a film with Robert Rodriguez that won’t be released until 2115. 100 Years is an upcoming experimental science fiction film written by John Malkovich and directed by Robert Rodriguez. Advertised in 2015 with the tagline "The Movie You Will Never See", it is due to be released on November 18, 2115. The 100-year span matches the time it takes for a b…

What are the chances the tape contains an empty tape? Nobody is going to come and complain you didn't do the work you were paid for...

The movie was made before he knew it was the one that would be locked away.

100 Years is apparently a short film, Rodriguez having stated in a 2019 interview with French YouTuber InThePanda: "I was making several short films for them, and I finished that one first, we shot that one first, I thought that was gonna be a commercial or something. And then I showed them the movie and they said 'Yeah, that's great, that's great. That's the one we lock away.' And I said 'What? That's the one you lock away? What about the other one with the future--' 'No, that's the commercial.' [...] The one that I was most attached to was the one they locked away."

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by adventured »

perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

Dams, skyscrapers, military bases, housing mortgages, bonds, business contracts, commercial leases, land/resource/farm leases.

Lots of things have 50 (or longer) year plans, contracts, payoffs, repayment schedules, and so on.

Here's Austria's recent 100 year bond (paying a comical 0.88%):

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-24/austri...

The deal on Hong Kong was supposed to be 50 years, with it operating as a SAR.

Modern US aircraft carriers are usually given a ~50 year service life. CVN-79, USS John F. Kennedy, would be planned to operate until roughly 2070. (the prior John F. Kennedy aircraft carrier, CV-67, made it about 40 years, 1967-2007)

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Post by Someone »

grp000 wrote: post #41
keiferski wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite the same, as it’s already completed, but John Malkovich made a film with Robert Rodriguez that won’t be released until 2115. 100 Years is an upcoming experimental science fiction film written by John Malkovich and directed by Robert Rodriguez. Advertised in 2015 with the tagline "The Movie You Will Never See", it is due to be released on November 18, 2115. The 100-year span matches the time it takes for a b…

That's just pomp and show business though. I think the ancients were very long term planners. One of the upsides to a regime with very centralized and absolute power. Great wall of China, Pyramids of Giza to name some.

The Great Wall is impressive, but wasn’t fully built as one project. It was patched together from multiple parts (with some major upgrade/renovation projects)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China:

The Great Wall of China (traditional Chinese: 萬里長城; simplified Chinese: 万里长城; pinyin: Wànlǐ Chángchéng) is a series of fortifications that were built across the historical northern borders of ancient Chinese states and Imperial China as protection against various nomadic groups from the Eurasian Steppe

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Post by ehnto »

Clewza313 wrote: post #6
perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

Closest I can think of is the Chuo Maglev in Japan, approved in 2011 with a completion target of 2045. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen

Japan also has many artificial islands, I wonder how long some of those projects took.

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Post by Bayart »

perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

That's similar to the timeframe of the ITER/DEMO/PROTO project, if you bake in the delays.

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Post by ehnto »

grecy wrote: post #26
perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

Japan built an island for the Kansai airport. Construction started in 1987 and the airport opened in 1994. Japan have a host of "long term big engineering projects" they're always working on.

I flew in and out of there the first time I visited, it was so cool. Japan is an infrastructure nerds dream.

It didn't feel like being on an island at all, since it's entirely developed. But once you hop on a train you shoot out across the ocean and it's quite spectacular.

I recommend going up to the viewing tower if you have time before your flight, it's an inimitable view.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

That's the retirement date for someone leaving school in the UK this year. If they go straight into work then they will be signed up for a workplace pension with that date in mind.
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