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Microsoft’s Android Shakedown

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Re: Microsoft’s Android Shakedown

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HTC is paying $5 per phone, but they also get protection against Apple. I don't think HTC would've signed the deal with Microsoft, if it wasn't for the Apple lawsuit.

I figure though HTC's profit per phone is likely on the order of $20 or less? (I'm guessing here but I should be in the ballpark.) Thus $5 per phone is hugely significant.

Are you really serious/sure?

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HTC-Droid-Incred...

Re: Microsoft’s Android Shakedown

#62
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

notice: everyone is dirty at this game, e.g. google's recent patent application for google doodle "A system provides a periodically changing story line and/or a special event company logo to entice users to access a web page."[1] [1] http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sec...

Sure, but they have to do this. I only consider it evil once a company starts suing other companies that they know can't compete based on patent portfolio size.

No no no NO!

This is wrong on so many levels. If you don't like the process, don't support it. Google is _not_ better than any other company out there. Sure, you have sympathies based on previous encounters and actions, but the goal is the same for every company: Make money.

You're saying that it's different if Google tries to patent something. It's not. There's no moral involved here, this is just plain business. Either you like patents or you don't. Hoping that 'the good guys' apply for lots of patents is crap.

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post #56

> Most people would say that Google has been more innovative than Microsoft in recent years—especially in the mobile phone market Would they? I don’t think so. Android is iPhone + Symbian + Blackberry + Java. Windows Phone 7 is a new beast.

Not to comment on your argument about Android, but the statement (in original article) definitely seems to me presumptuous. I stopped reading after that.

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#64

"The complexity of software and low standards for patent eligibility mean that software engineers produce potentially patentable ideas all the time. [Snip] Auditing 10 million lines of code for compliance with 18,000 patents is an impossible task—especially because the meaning of a patent’s claims are often not clear until after they have been litigated. [Snip] The result is a transfer of wealth from young, growing,…

low standards for patent eligibility

I'm not sure if the standards are low, rather that the examiners don't abide by the rules set out by the USPTO. Novel and non-obvious are both requirements.

because the meaning of a patent’s claims are often not clear until after they have been litigated

This is another failing of current examiners. The patent should be written such that one skilled in the art could reproduce it. The patents are convoluted and unclear enough that one likely couldn't produce much of what is patented, because its not clear what the invention is. The examiners should make people resubmit patents, under time constraints, so that they are clear. Much like submitting to a journal.

Re: Microsoft’s Android Shakedown

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"The complexity of software and low standards for patent eligibility mean that software engineers produce potentially patentable ideas all the time. [Snip] Auditing 10 million lines of code for compliance with 18,000 patents is an impossible task—especially because the meaning of a patent’s claims are often not clear until after they have been litigated. [Snip] The result is a transfer of wealth from young, growing,…

Yea, there is a reason why math is not patentable, and it should not be patentable just because it is executed on a computer.

Re: Microsoft’s Android Shakedown

#67
post #52

I was talking to someone who once worked at IBM, and he mentioned that they give a bonus (something like $2000-$5000) for each patent that you receive. He said that employees would get together in small groups and take turns filing patents and sharing the proceeds with the group. IBM, of course, paid for all the fees for filing the patent. Just thought I'd share this random anecdote..

Adobe has the same thing for 1000 to 5000 per patent (though not available to students such as myself). Some people would file 2 or 3 patents a year, usually just pertaining to the particular way they solved a problem that month.

Re: Microsoft’s Android Shakedown

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figure though HTC's profit per phone is likely on the order of $20 or less? (I'm guessing here but I should be in the ballpark.) Thus $5 per phone is hugely significant.

Are you really serious/sure? http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HTC-Droid-Incred...

Bill of Materials is just a fraction of their expenses.

We can estimate per phone profit from the quarterly report [1].

- Q1 after-tax profit was NT$14.83bn

- Handset shipment for 1Q was 9.7mn units

~ NT$1500 per phone (~US$55/per phone)

[1] http://www.corpasia.net/taiwan/2498/irwebsite/index.php?mod=...

Re: Microsoft’s Android Shakedown

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post #30

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Exactly. If they weren't cashing in on this problem their shareholder's would be pretty pissed and heads would roll.

Should Google do the same thing to Microsoft? Google has shareholders. If they did, I would lose respect for Google that I have already lost for Miscrosoft. Somehow, I don't think Google will, and not just because Windows Mobile is closed source. I think public opinion/brand reputation is an important thing to consider in these types of situations. For example, this poll shows only 32% of people agree with the strate…

One of the reasons Google may not have given into the pressure is due to their stock voting structure. Larry and Sergey have final say.

Call me naive, but I actually think they try to stay away from playing in the filth even if everyone else is doing it.

Re: Microsoft’s Android Shakedown

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"The complexity of software and low standards for patent eligibility mean that software engineers produce potentially patentable ideas all the time. [Snip] Auditing 10 million lines of code for compliance with 18,000 patents is an impossible task—especially because the meaning of a patent’s claims are often not clear until after they have been litigated. [Snip] The result is a transfer of wealth from young, growing,…

low standards for patent eligibility I'm not sure if the standards are low, rather that the examiners don't abide by the rules set out by the USPTO. Novel and non-obvious are both requirements. because the meaning of a patent’s claims are often not clear until after they have been litigated This is another failing of current examiners. The patent should be written such that one skilled in the art could reproduce it.…

I've said it before, but I'd be really interested to see a requirement for getting chartered engineer status be to peer-review a certain number of patent applications. It might cut down on the number of frivolous patents a touch.
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