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Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by Aperocky »

paxys wrote: post #36

This is sadly a lot more common than people realize. It's drilled in your head that as an employee you should never ever renege on a job offer or accept a better one too soon because you are "burning bridges" and that is very bad, but it never works the same the other way around. Budgets change all the time. Departments go through reorgs. Projects get cancelled. "Hey but we have an open job offer" is never going to b…

> it never works the same

It does.

The opinion on an organization is the aggregate of the experiences of the people that works for it, that's why crayon is featured prominently in marine jokes.

It just takes a lot longer and a lot of experiences such as these for the opinion to shift, but once they do, the effect is the same.

Tesla and SpaceX have very poor reputation in terms of working for them, and that reputation have an impact on its ability to find people.

Granted, some people are not motivated by money or better treatment, and simply wanted to build something that goes to Mars, hats off to them. That doesn't mean Tesla lost nothing over poor (potential) work reputation.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by thejosh »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #14
throwaway158497 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, emoployees can leave company any time. And they leave companies on short notices! Cuts both ways!

Are there actually countries where employees can't quit if they want to?

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ending-employment/notice-and-fin...

Australia has pretty good laws around this :-)

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by Rebelgecko »

snotrockets wrote: post #11
throwaway158497 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, emoployees can leave company any time. And they leave companies on short notices! Cuts both ways!

But you may not get good refs (necessary for future employment) if you try to play by the same rules as the employer and give no notice. Even if the mandatory notice period is equal, the power balance isn't.

I think the asymmetry goes both ways. If you leave a job under bad circumstances, maybe a half dozen people will hear about it in the future (and even that might be over counting... I've worked at places where you're not allowed to say anything other than "yes that person worked here worked here with that job title"). On the other hand, Charlie's ref about how Tesla treats prospective employees has been seen by thousands of people.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by deadmutex »

Judgmentality wrote: post #38
jacob2484 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything to back up your statement? I know a few folks who love working there.

I know lots of folks who hate(d) working there. Just adding my anecdata to yours.

I also heard that many people would look forward to leaving after the final vesting of their initial stock grant. I remember going to someone's Tesla work anniversary party, and his teammates were like "I really hope they stay, we typically lose people after these milestones".

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by PeterBannon »

deadmutex wrote: post #54
PeterBannon wrote: post #26

The same thing happened to me in late 2018. I was hired to write a compiler for deep learning (training) on Tesla's in-house hardware, under Peter Bannon. I resigned from the job I had at the time, and Tesla backed out of the contract shortly before my start date. Tesla is ruthless.

> I was hired to write a compiler for deep learning (training) on Tesla's in-house hardware, under Pete Bannon. You were hired to report to Pete Bannon? So, that is some other person? And your (user+)name is also Peter Bannon?

This is my throwaway Hacker News account named after the relevant director at Tesla:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterbannon

I'm sorry you found this so confusing.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by jvolkman »

arduinomancer wrote: post #41
paxys wrote: post #36

This is sadly a lot more common than people realize. It's drilled in your head that as an employee you should never ever renege on a job offer or accept a better one too soon because you are "burning bridges" and that is very bad, but it never works the same the other way around. Budgets change all the time. Departments go through reorgs. Projects get cancelled. "Hey but we have an open job offer" is never going to b…

Its crazy how people are worried about offending trillion dollar companies.

I think they're more worried about impacting their own chances of working at those companies in the future.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by simondw »

akerl_ wrote: post #51
GiorgioG wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would lose 99.999% of the time thanks to `at will` employment.

At-will employment doesn’t really factor in here. The central issue is that Tesla gave him a job offer and based on that offer he resigned from his prior job. Tesla then reneged on their offer weeks later. The damages are the lost wages due to them not following through with the job offer after they caused him to resign.

I suppose the point is that's there's little difference, practically speaking, between this situation and being fired 5 minutes into your first day on the job.

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by dokem »

tylerwhipple wrote: post #43
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there actually countries where employees can't quit if they want to?

When I was working in France you legally had to give 3 months notice to quit. I think there are ways around this notice period in certain situations.

That's about 2 weeks worth of work in a US corporation, so seems reasonable. he

Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by [deleted] »

deadmutex wrote: post #54
PeterBannon wrote: post #26

The same thing happened to me in late 2018. I was hired to write a compiler for deep learning (training) on Tesla's in-house hardware, under Peter Bannon. I resigned from the job I had at the time, and Tesla backed out of the contract shortly before my start date. Tesla is ruthless.

> I was hired to write a compiler for deep learning (training) on Tesla's in-house hardware, under Pete Bannon. You were hired to report to Pete Bannon? So, that is some other person? And your (user+)name is also Peter Bannon?

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Re: Tesla Rescinds Job Offer

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Post by cercatrova »

judge2020 wrote: post #55
Judgmentality wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to have multiple offers because it helps you leverage yourself to higher pay during negotiations, and it also gives you more choices to decide where to go next. You want to have a offer before giving notice just so you know what's next, and obviously you shouldn't do this if you don't intend on accepting the only offer you have. If you have no offers you can quit, but you have no guarantee of finding a job i…

This kinda goes against what OP is against though, no? If you have multiple offer letters, chances are multiple other companies have stopped their job search (especially if they don't want to lead on other candidates).

Not necessarily, sometimes companies will oversubscribe to offers, ie hand out multiple offers but only take one of them, because they know many people could decline so they don't want to be stuck with no one.

Same philosophy on the employee side, not beneficial to ride everything on only one offer.

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