Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses • Hacker News Board

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by rangoon626 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 8:46 PM UTC

bingbong70 wrote: post #48

tehwebguy wrote: post #37

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Actually, vaccinating all kids is normal

>Actually, vaccinating all kids is normal Vaccinating children with 20-100 year old (~1-4 generations of human feedback/testing) vaccines is normal, vaccinating them with 1 year old experimental vaccines is not. In my opinion, people in high risk groups (elderly/preexisting conditions) should take the vaccine, but low risk healthy individuals should wait as long as possible for more feedback about the potential downs…

You guys are brave posting this kind of thinking here, but you do have support for presenting this view.

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by rangoon626 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 8:49 PM UTC

op00to wrote: post #29

squarefoot wrote: post #15

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I don't agree on waiting years for a vaccine, however the loss/alteration of sense of smell and taste is temporary. It can last more than the other symptoms, but usually after a few weeks it gets back to normal again. I got symptomatic Covid last October and the spike protein test taken at the end of March reports I still have several hundreds u/ml of anti-rbd antibodies, so I'll be reasonably safe for some time, but…

I think TV programming should be occasionally replaced with deidentified Covid ward footage.

You wanna force this on everyone? Cool. Then I get to enforce outlawing fast food consumption… especially things like Krispy Kreme donuts.

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by maxerickson » Tue, May 25, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

bingbong70 wrote: post #48

tehwebguy wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, vaccinating all kids is normal

>Actually, vaccinating all kids is normal Vaccinating children with 20-100 year old (~1-4 generations of human feedback/testing) vaccines is normal, vaccinating them with 1 year old experimental vaccines is not. In my opinion, people in high risk groups (elderly/preexisting conditions) should take the vaccine, but low risk healthy individuals should wait as long as possible for more feedback about the potential downs…

What is high risk and what is low risk?

We have about as much information about the effects of the vaccines now as we have about the effects of Covid-19, and they are generally better in each age group.

(this includes the blood clotting that has been attributed to the vaccines; the incidence is higher in people that have been infected)

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by amai » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:34 PM UTC

"This also suggests a shift towards increased inflammatory responses to fungi following vaccination, say the researchers."

Isn't that a good thing?

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by squarefoot » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

rangoon626 wrote: post #62

op00to wrote: post #29

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I think TV programming should be occasionally replaced with deidentified Covid ward footage.

You wanna force this on everyone? Cool. Then I get to enforce outlawing fast food consumption… especially things like Krispy Kreme donuts.

Forcing maybe not, but as educational tool, not unlike trips to WWII concentration camps for schools, I would offer a free visit to Covid wards to denialists and similar idiots. Once they see someone taken into a bed with a simple oxygen mask, then given a respirator helmet, then intubated, then pronounced dead in a few days, they probably change their perspective.

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by dang » Tue, May 25, 2021, 10:07 PM UTC

op00to wrote: post #30

calvano915 wrote: post #14

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My fiance and I are holding out for same reasons.

Your fiancé and yourself are selfish, then. Your risk pales to the cost of spreading the disease to those more vulnerable.

Please make your substantive points without personal attacks. Crossing into the flamewar style like this is guaranteed to make the discussion nastier and more predictable, which are two things we're trying to avoid on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Tue, May 25, 2021, 10:21 PM UTC

March_f6 wrote: post #3

I'm honestly pretty torn at this point which vaccine I should be going for. It seems like every week there is another article insinuating that there is some poorly understood, potentially high impact, facet of a given vaccine. Anyone else "holding out?"

I... kind of was? I wasn't in a rush, anyway. Figured I'm healthy enough that I'd let those who are more at risk than me get their shots.

And then I went in to the pharmacy to pick up a prescription, and they said, hey, we've got this extra dose, do you want it? So I took it, just because I was there and it was easy.

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by bsder » Tue, May 25, 2021, 10:30 PM UTC

incrudible wrote: post #27

bsder wrote: post #25

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So were the chances of two MMA fighters. And yet Covid ended the career of them both. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Which ones?

Apparently they have unretired: https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/5-ufc-fighters-suffered-badl...

However, as you can see, young and fit is no protection.

It's a roll of the dice.

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by op00to » Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:07 PM UTC

rangoon626 wrote: post #62

op00to wrote: post #29

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I think TV programming should be occasionally replaced with deidentified Covid ward footage.

You wanna force this on everyone? Cool. Then I get to enforce outlawing fast food consumption… especially things like Krispy Kreme donuts.

Krispy Kreme is gross.

Re: Pfizer vaccine reprograms innate immune responses

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Post by op00to » Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:07 PM UTC

squarefoot wrote: post #65

rangoon626 wrote: post #62

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You wanna force this on everyone? Cool. Then I get to enforce outlawing fast food consumption… especially things like Krispy Kreme donuts.

Forcing maybe not, but as educational tool, not unlike trips to WWII concentration camps for schools, I would offer a free visit to Covid wards to denialists and similar idiots. Once they see someone taken into a bed with a simple oxygen mask, then given a respirator helmet, then intubated, then pronounced dead in a few days, they probably change their perspective.

Apparently perspective = “I get to ban fast food”.