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Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Isn't Telegram e2e encrypted? Or I am understanding your comment wrong?

That's a common misconception. Telegram private chats are by default not e2e encrypted (but you can create a separate "secret chat", which will be).

And that secret chat only works on mobile and only for 1 on 1 conversations.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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post #60

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That's a common misconception. Telegram private chats are by default not e2e encrypted (but you can create a separate "secret chat", which will be).

Really? What does it mean in practical terms? Anyone can see my chats? Is it worst than Whatsapp in that sense? I understand (again) that WA is e2e encrypted by default? Thanks!

Quoted from article [1] on how someone 'hacked' some Brazil politicians:

"A hacker with little technical skill and no specialized equipment could, it turned out, do quite a bit of damage with access to someone's voicemail. Delgatti, for instance, figured out he could use this VoIP spoofing technique to target Telegram accounts. At the time, when a Telegram user wanted to attach their account to a new device, they had the option of requesting a verification code via an automated voice call from Telegram. Delgatti realized that he could spoof a victim's phone to request that code. Then, if Telegram's automated voice call didn't get through—because Delgatti initiated the hack late at night while his victim slept, or kept the line busy by calling his victim at the same time—the code would be sent to the person's voicemail. He could then spoof the target's phone once again to gain access to their voicemail, retrieve the verification code, and then add the victim's Telegram to his own device. After that, he could download their entire chat history from the cloud."

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/brazil-hacker-bolsonaro-car-wash...

I think the least everyone who wanna continue using telegram must do is enable 'two-step verification' in Telegram settings.

Or use Signal. Or Wire if you don't wanna expose phone number. But Wire stores metadata.

Edit: Yeah WA is e2e by default. But if you or your friend has enabled backing up chats to Google account, everything will be backed up in plain/weak encryption. Also at least in android, WhatsApp automatically stores all received/sent pics, videos etc in a folder named WhatsApp which is available to any app with storage permission.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a common misconception. Telegram private chats are by default not e2e encrypted (but you can create a separate "secret chat", which will be).

Really? What does it mean in practical terms? Anyone can see my chats? Is it worst than Whatsapp in that sense? I understand (again) that WA is e2e encrypted by default? Thanks!

In practical terms, non secret chats messages are stored, more or less cleartext, on Telegram servers. In this sense, yes, it is much less secure than Whatsapp. Though I don't know if, in whatsapp, the metadata is also e2e encrypted

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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This. I worked at NCR building the kiosks at the airport. We integrated with Amadeus and Sabre as well as duplicating the data directly to the BOSS systems (old terminal mainframes). Your passenger information and your itinerary are shared with TSA, Airlines, published to travel systems, and checked against NO-FLY lists the moment you press that “Get boarding pass” button. Whether it be by an agent, at the kiosk, or…

Is there anyway to buy/book directly instead going through this Amadeus, and this Sabre software you mention?

It's a choice by the airline - if they handle their bookings through it, then also direct bookings will go there because they need to have a shared view such as knowing what seats are available/sold. There are various tiny airlines that book directly, but the vast majority of flights aren't with them.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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It looks like the Belarus KGB was on the flight anyway - presumably the journalist was being followed/tracked: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/belarus-seizur...

It would have been ironic if the flight was overbooked and they couldn't buy a ticket/board.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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I did not know that. Some websites claim US nationals do not need a passport to travel domestically https://www.skyscanner.com/tips-and-inspiration/editorial/pa... and while in 2021 europa.eu website says EU nationals do not need a passport to travel within Schengen this has already been not true before covid. Arrive at FRA or MUC or CDG and you will end up having to show your passport either at a manned booth or a m…

I think you are mixing id with passport. I doubt that you need a passport to fly internally in US. I know that as a EU citizen you absolutely do not need a passport to fly within the EU but you do need some form of id.

You do not need a passport although you can use one. A driver’s license or other government issued ID is sufficient. It may even be possible to fly without an ID, like if it was stolen or lost, but it would be a holy mess. The comedian Hannibal Burress has a funny bit about it.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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While not completely alien here in the UK, using brand names for generic concepts is a bit of an Americanism (perhaps because of a cultural tendency to glorify private business?) "Band-aids" are plasters (short for sticking plasters) here, and "Kleenex" are tissues (even if they're actually kleenex branded). Having said that, to "google" something or to "photoshop" something are both in common usage here. I suspect t…

I think it's cultural. We have some brand names where I believe Americans don't, for example. For example, we hoover where Americans vacuum.

Jeep is another example that got plenty of use outside America, only really falling out of use in the last while as casual use of that type of vehicle got replaced by SUVs.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Yes, they do, in fact, almost everybody in the travel industry can get its hands on PNRs, and manifests. A travel history of almost everybody can be reconstructed fully for the last ~10 years from those databases. And of course that stuff went to .onion sites. That's just like almost everybody's financial information collected, and reported for the sake of "counterterrorism" (CRS,) and, soon, SIM card subscriber data…

Citation needed. Anybody can become a travel agent with a GDS subscription, but how exactly would I leverage that to get flight manifests for other people? Airlines guard anything that smacks like seat utilization data jealously, which is why even the GDS will never show more than 9 seats open in any fare class.

You type LP/ABC123/MAY25 and pull up the loading list.

This doesn't give you information about load factors or overbooking profiles which is the actually commercially sensitive information.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Yes, they do, in fact, almost everybody in the travel industry can get its hands on PNRs, and manifests. A travel history of almost everybody can be reconstructed fully for the last ~10 years from those databases. And of course that stuff went to .onion sites. That's just like almost everybody's financial information collected, and reported for the sake of "counterterrorism" (CRS,) and, soon, SIM card subscriber data…

Yes, as far I know, every at least international flight from EU, the US gets the full information about every passenger, inclusive payment (credit card info).
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