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I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it unfair

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Re: I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it unfair

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Post by lumberingjack »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #56
Dobbs wrote: post #54

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Except nothing you said is true. Fallon Fox has not caused more head injuries than is statistically likely for MMA. There is no actual evidence of trans women having an oversized advantage in sports and when it has been tried to be studied has had mixed results at best. Additionally despite trans people being allowed to compete in the olympics for over a decade it has been basically non existent. Things that seem “co…

I seriously don't understand why are you defending that trans-women don't have a physical advantage against women? The article is about post-puberty trans women dominating the first places. High-performance athletes train hard, but also have an innate biological advantage that gives them that slight edge to reach the podium. Post-puberty trans women had their innate biological advantage growing male, and hormone repl…

Some of the male to female trans gender converts have even stated it themselves that they couldn't cut it in men's sports but they can make a living in women's sports.

Re: I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it unfair

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Post by gigabuddha »

thrixton wrote: post #58
jpgvm wrote: post #2

I don't disagree with their plight but it does raise the question of where transgender athletes should compete. Male-to-female athletes likely have an advantage over female athletes but a disadvantage over similarly aged males that aren't undergoing hormone treatments. Female-to-male athletes are probably different again, probably less severe than the former case though but still creating an advantage over natural fe…

In a simplistic sense. It's unfair for both parties. But one party made a choice and should therefore bear the unfair cost of their choice.

Well said. There are endless times in life that we make choices and those choices close other doors for us. It's normal.

The idea that we have to shape the world to work with everyone's choices so no one has to deal with disappointment is ridiculous.

Re: I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it unfair

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Post by gigabuddha »

caddemon wrote: post #20
DanBC wrote: post #10

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Now give that male puberty blockers for several years and test testosterone levels before allowing them to compete and see the times they get.

How many trans people realize early enough in life (and have the parental support) to actually use puberty blockers?

There are a lot of parents out there making that choice for their young children right now so we should have more data in the next 5-10yrs.

Re: I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it unfair

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Post by Dobbs »

austincheney wrote: post #25
jpgvm wrote: post #2

I don't disagree with their plight but it does raise the question of where transgender athletes should compete. Male-to-female athletes likely have an advantage over female athletes but a disadvantage over similarly aged males that aren't undergoing hormone treatments. Female-to-male athletes are probably different again, probably less severe than the former case though but still creating an advantage over natural fe…

The difference there is that female athletes do not choose to be female. A transgender person, according to your personal politics, may not choose to be transgender, but taking hormones for a sex transition therapy is a choice. Female athletes should not be punished with unfair competition for that choice of hormone therapy upon a biological male.

Trans people don't choose to be transgender. They choose to either deal with the almost certainly crippling gender dysphoria or to transition.

Re: I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it unfair

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Post by austincheney »

Dobbs wrote: post #64
austincheney wrote: post #25

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The difference there is that female athletes do not choose to be female. A transgender person, according to your personal politics, may not choose to be transgender, but taking hormones for a sex transition therapy is a choice. Female athletes should not be punished with unfair competition for that choice of hormone therapy upon a biological male.

Trans people don't choose to be transgender. They choose to either deal with the almost certainly crippling gender dysphoria or to transition.

This thread was flagged almost immediately after it was created. Where is all the traffic to it coming from?

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Post by tffgg »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #51
darkhorse22 wrote: post #42

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Exactly, we need three categories: M, W, ?. In ?, anything goes: Hormones, steroids, doping, etc. We can't let nature hold back sport.

We shouldn't separate by gender (which is irrelevant for sport performance using the "identify as" definition), but should simply use testosterone level: low, medium, high, based on highest level tested.

Testosterone level is completely unfair when hormones are actively manipulated.

Re: I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it unfair

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Post by sneak »

austincheney wrote: post #65
Dobbs wrote: post #64

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Trans people don't choose to be transgender. They choose to either deal with the almost certainly crippling gender dysphoria or to transition.

This thread was flagged almost immediately after it was created. Where is all the traffic to it coming from?

I ended up here from reading HN stories in an RSS reader.

Re: I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it unfair

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Post by ASalazarMX »

sneak wrote: post #67
austincheney wrote: post #65

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This thread was flagged almost immediately after it was created. Where is all the traffic to it coming from?

I ended up here from reading HN stories in an RSS reader.

Same. TheOldReader caught this before it was flagged. It's an unjustified flag IMO, but at least it came back from [dead].
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