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Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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Is Europe a small market?

"European readers of American newspapers" is.

When America asserts itself as the dominant power, international readers American newspapers is not a small market. At the very least, it doesn't match the spirit of the web to have region locked content.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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The law also requires that Colorado employees be informed of all promotional opportunities. A promotional opportunity is "a vacancy in an existing or new position that could be considered a promotion for one or more employees in terms of compensation, benefits, status, duties, or access to further advancement." If a company doesn't already have Colorado employees, they may not be interested in having a remote employe…

Wow. I could see companies excluding CO just due to the regulatory burden alone, even if they agree with the spirit of the law. I mean why create new HR processes when you have 49 other states to hire from?

Only as long as Colorado is the only state with this law. If California or New York adopts it, employers will probably just accept it nationwide.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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My curent company shares an email about open promotional opportunities every 6 months. I am continously amazon how on hackernews expecting basic decensy from corporates is a 'terrible burden'

I am amazed that people do not understand that difference between Voluntary Action and Mandatory / Regulatory Burden. A Company could 100% already being doing everything to be in compliance with a regulation and still oppose the regulation, and take actions to ensure they are bound by that regulation

Granted. But which of the following happens more often?

A) Companies oppose regulation because of filing and compliance costs, despite already doing the required behavior

B) Companies oppose regulation because they don't want to have a requirement to do and maintain the behavior

It feels like really we're talking about (B) as a primary motivator, and (A) is a smoke screen for PR palatability.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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True, but the most of the examples people found are of companies that already have Colorado employees.

Right, but this applies to job postings. Current employees don’t require any additional work as they’re already hired.

Here's the act, it looks like it does have some additional requirements for companies with CO employees: https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb19-085

If remote work sticks around (I think it will), it will be interesting to see how employers handle the additional burden of having employees in dozens or even hundreds of jurisdictions. I don't think it's insurmountable, but it's certainly something many companies have not had to deal with before.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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My curent company shares an email about open promotional opportunities every 6 months. I am continously amazon how on hackernews expecting basic decensy from corporates is a 'terrible burden'

Is 6 months enough? Can't spots get filled between that time?

6 months is not compliant. Employees have to be made aware of the posting on the same calendar day the job is posted. For jobs that are in constant demand, the company has to either send a daily email or have some kind of banner on its corporate intranet.

There is also no geographic restriction so if a company has any offshore service centers, it would need to post any promotional jobs to its Colorado employees as well.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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> favorable to employees Is it really though? Complete transparency in salary ranges also means that every other employer can see exactly what their competition is offering. I can't help but worry that this will lead to a sort of "price fixing" that will actually drive wages _down_.

It worked for CEOs. Their salaries were disclosed due to a new law, and their salaries skyrocketed. Competition is good, not bad.

Competition is fairer, not so much good nor bad.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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My sympathy is with the employers. Colorado did this to itself with such an anticompetitive law. Beyond this effect, it also encourages sending the work offshore altogether.

What competition is being hampered by this law?

I don't know what is being hampered but in general there is no free lunch. You always are making a tradeoff when you make a law, there is no such thing as only good law.

So there has to be some downside for even this law.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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A competitive market would enable me to sort by salary and benefits and apply for the best job. However companies don't want to compete on salary, and potentialy drive them up - they want maximum leverage. They get more leverage if process is obscure, so that you only agree salary late in the process and for the applicant, pulling out is risky. The market is not really free - its being manipulated by one side. Simila…

There should be a job board exactly like that, with base salary x + y% per year specific experience for 1-10y, z% 11-20y etc. and u% per year for general industry experience.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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My sympathy is with the employers. Colorado did this to itself with such an anticompetitive law. Beyond this effect, it also encourages sending the work offshore altogether.

What competition is being hampered by this law?

Indeed, the definition of "perfect competition" in economics includes that all participants have perfect information.

But, that's actually the reason companies hate this law: in "perfect competition" no long-term economic profit is possible. Long-term profits are the result of when a market disobeys the definition of "perfect competition," such as when there's information asymmetry, patents and trade secrets to protect innovation, or when barriers to entry are significant.

In this case, hiding salary ranges from employees provides the employer an obvious benefit in that they know how much is budgeted for the position, but a candidate doesn't get that information when giving their salary requirements. I recently had to play a round of "don't give a number" with a recruiter last week. Needless to say, that didn't go very far.

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