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Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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I don't know why, it is probably highly irrational, but I always rejoice when the Bitcoin crashes.

Thats kind of sick? What an absolutely repugnant thing to do. Do you rejoice at war and animal abuse too?

Well clearly those things are not of the same quality.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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Crypto isn't a Ponzi scheme. A Ponzi scheme is form of fraud where funds from recent investors are used to pay (fictitious) profits to earlier investors. Say the ringleader claims a 10% profit. An early investor had deposited $100 and wants their $100. The ringleader had blown that investor's $100 on coke and hookers and gives him $110 from new investors. Crypto is more accurately a pyramid scheme. But then so are pr…

But at least gold has some inherent value, crypto is just math that is worth whatever the buyers/sellers think it should be. Stock in a company that stays in business will never go to zero as the company always has some value due to having revenue, but crypto has no real world floor (though unlikely to actually get to zero since someone will always buy).

More precise way of expressing this is: gold has industrial uses not "inherent value".

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

#63

I don't know why, it is probably highly irrational, but I always rejoice when the Bitcoin crashes.

Same. I hate the arrogant stupidity of the crypto cult.

As someone with no real opinion on crypto the arrogant stupidity of the anti-crypto crowd (really prevalent on HN) is also quite tiring.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

#64

And, as usual, Coinbase is also down at the moment [0]. Don't have a super-strong opinion on the crash itself (or whether we should call it a crash given crypto's volatility)--but it does seem peculiar that the exchanges in the space tend to drop when things get rough. [0] https://status.coinbase.com as of 13:51 UTC status was "intermittent downtime" and "delayed withdrawals"

I very clearly recall Coinbase structurally having these outages back in 2017/2018 as well. Always when big price movements are about to happen, but often before the volume spike. Nothing but funny coincidences I'm sure.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats kind of sick? What an absolutely repugnant thing to do. Do you rejoice at war and animal abuse too?

People are envious generally and when something they don't understand does well, they're confused. When that thing goes down, they feel relieved and their worldview makes more sense. Schadenfreude in general.

The assumption that people who don’t want to buy crypto must not “understand” crypto is a cliché among that community, and it reeks of the kind of hubris that makes me okay with seeing this kind of crash.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

#66

I don't know why, it is probably highly irrational, but I always rejoice when the Bitcoin crashes.

I mean the technology is highly damaging to society in a whole bunch of ways, damaging the environment, supporting fraud and ransomware, used for money laundering, funding crime, and if it gets integrated into the financial system like some want it to be, it could even destroy human civilization: https://benoitessiambre.com/specter.html (even Douglas Adams tried to warn us 40 years ago).

So it's a relief when it looks more like it's going away or at least staying contained.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

#67

Bitcoin is the ultimate, purely financial object. It has no revenues or profits. The supply is fixed -- unlike, say, gold, where high prices mean people will eventually start digging mines, BTC supply is entirely price-inelastic. The only thing that determines BTC price is demand. And over the past 13 years, we've seen reflexivity at work: The price has gone up, so more people want it, so the price goes up further, a…

BTC has substitutes in the altcoin sphere which can make similar claims to scarcity.

So if BTC ends up being too illiquid and slow - build another coin.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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As an outside observer, who has no crypto holdings at all, but is very deeply invested in the public stock market with a heavy weight on technology stocks... this doesn't look like a crash to me at all. It just looks like some steam being let off and old investors cash out and new investors get more comfortable with how much and where to invest. I consider crypto currency as it is to be an elaborate Ponzi scheme (per…

My personal take: There might well be ponzi schemes on top of the bitcoin infrastructure, but the technology behind bitcoin is not a ponzi scheme. It might well be that a lot of people are crazed over it and want to buy bitcoin and push up the price, but that's because there is something here with cryptocurrency. It definitely is a new way of accounting, and it could potentially be a hedge against the fiat system. Th…

The technology has no use outside the scope of crypto-currencies.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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As an outside observer, who has no crypto holdings at all, but is very deeply invested in the public stock market with a heavy weight on technology stocks... this doesn't look like a crash to me at all. It just looks like some steam being let off and old investors cash out and new investors get more comfortable with how much and where to invest. I consider crypto currency as it is to be an elaborate Ponzi scheme (per…

Bitcoin & Ether are both down -40% from a week to a month ago. Both of those are, in theory, large enough that investors "letting off some steam" shouldn't move them that much. If $SPY dropped 40% we'd all call it a crash. This isn't that different. Also unlike the stock market, crypto is under the delusion of being a viable currency. If USD or Euro dropped even 20% we'd start questioning if it's a recession, much le…

If SPY dropped to the level where it was at the start of the year, would we call it a crash?

Also, maybe BTC is not like SPY but more like TSLA.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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As an outside observer, who has no crypto holdings at all, but is very deeply invested in the public stock market with a heavy weight on technology stocks... this doesn't look like a crash to me at all. It just looks like some steam being let off and old investors cash out and new investors get more comfortable with how much and where to invest. I consider crypto currency as it is to be an elaborate Ponzi scheme (per…

Totally agree. The S&P500 is at the lowest it's been ... since one week ago (quite literally: May 12). And before that, April. A 1.5% decline isn't a crash.
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