Jolie, the service-oriented programming language

Post by rsj_hn » Mon, May 17, 2021, 8:56 PM UTC

PedroBatista wrote: post #19

danellis wrote: post #6

Who actually wants this? People want good libraries for doing this with the languages they already use, not to have to make compromises just so they can have a microservice. Notice that the front page gives lots of examples of the servicey parts of the code, but absolutely no examples of what the business logic looks like. In fact, even in the documentation, the example code is minimal and trivial.

I want it. At least the idea of it. I want something that looks like a programing language ( the mainstream ones ) that describes and specifies the flow of some functionality, not a YAML or a godforsaken XML file but also not XYZ framework that has all the implementation details. Maybe Jolie isn't what I want and has more baggage than I'm currently aware, but it somehow looks like something I need.

Post by bluejekyll » Mon, May 17, 2021, 9:18 PM UTC

Siira wrote: post #55

bluejekyll wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you achieve that with a language that has a sufficiently decent meta-programming option, like a macro system? It sounds like what you want is a compile time validated state machine.

Writing a language from scratch is not that different from writing a DSL using powerful macro systems. Does such a DSL already exist?

Post by andrewzah » Tue, May 18, 2021, 1:13 AM UTC

PedroBatista wrote: post #19

danellis wrote: post #6

Who actually wants this? People want good libraries for doing this with the languages they already use, not to have to make compromises just so they can have a microservice. Notice that the front page gives lots of examples of the servicey parts of the code, but absolutely no examples of what the business logic looks like. In fact, even in the documentation, the example code is minimal and trivial.

I want it. At least the idea of it. I want something that looks like a programing language ( the mainstream ones ) that describes and specifies the flow of some functionality, not a YAML or a godforsaken XML file but also not XYZ framework that has all the implementation details. Maybe Jolie isn't what I want and has more baggage than I'm currently aware, but it somehow looks like something I need.

Post by klag » Tue, May 18, 2021, 7:43 AM UTC

geodel wrote: post #60

danellis wrote: post #6

Who actually wants this? People want good libraries for doing this with the languages they already use, not to have to make compromises just so they can have a microservice. Notice that the front page gives lots of examples of the servicey parts of the code, but absolutely no examples of what the business logic looks like. In fact, even in the documentation, the example code is minimal and trivial.

I think it may get popular for Java framework fans. Among themselves folks may bicker about J2EE, Spring or Quarkus, or Oracle Fusion, Microprofile and myriad others. But the core idea is that anyone using Java directly with some help of standard and third party libs is old fossil and should eliminated from project/company or even better from workforce entirely. I think this language is another form of framework and…

Post by [deleted] » Tue, May 18, 2021, 12:38 PM UTC

danellis wrote: post #6

Who actually wants this? People want good libraries for doing this with the languages they already use, not to have to make compromises just so they can have a microservice. Notice that the front page gives lots of examples of the servicey parts of the code, but absolutely no examples of what the business logic looks like. In fact, even in the documentation, the example code is minimal and trivial.