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Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by LeonB »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #47

What are HNers thoughts about public chiropractors that record and publish their treatments and results? I still remember Ian Rossborough (even though he got suspended after adjusting a baby) and his famous video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpNcnM0FkTM making a boy walk straight in 10 days. Honest question, is this a stunt? Scam? Fake? Magic? Bullshit?

> is this a stunt? Scam? Fake? Magic? Bullshit?

Hard to pick just one.

The "got suspended after adjusting a baby" line is -- you have to admit -- a bit of a red flag.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by saurik »

fartcannon wrote: post #56
saurik wrote: post #40

FWIW, after spending a year seeing some doctors and getting not even a friggen correct diagnosis for my in-the-end-not-actually-a-"back"-issue, I saw an osteopath (of all things, and he did, in fact, come off like a quack) who suggested I had what I had originally self-diagnosed myself with before seeing the doctors who convinced me otherwise --a sacroiliac joint dysfunction--and then (after wasting some thankfully-s…

Let me start by saying that I agree that doctors do suck. They are people and that should be enough to understand them. But all self regulating industries with a financial incentive to lie suck. I realize this topic treads deeply into quasi-religious territory so forgive me in advance, but couldn't this just be the placebo effect? Mixed with the healing effect of someone caring about you? Maybe your physio actually g…

No: I had stopped seeing my physical therapist months earlier for various reasons, including that I was experiencing setbacks that I found emotionally demoralizing.

What a "grade 5 lumbopelvic mobilization"--what all the medical science people (online) were saying I needed to get done (like, I was at the point where I was watching talks from conferences on lumbar spine radiculopathy issues)--does is it takes the ilium and the sacrum in one's pelvis and separates them slightly, essentially stretching the sacroiliac joint a bit (which is hard to do and requires enough directed force to make it really hard to do to yourself... that joint "normally" barely moves at all: it is at best a shock absorber) and then allowing it to go back to a maybe-more-normal position in the case that they have accidentally gotten locked into a bad place and ended up with some tissue (or even a nerve) getting pinched. Physical therapists will also do this, but as far as I can tell--after starting to try to get an appointment with a new one at around the same time (but unable to get one for weeks out)--they are way more addicted to following only the pathologies that have actually been determined by the doctor who prescribed you to see them (as that's how they work: the doctor give a you a prescription).

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

ufo wrote: post #44
codeulike wrote: post #21

What about Osteopaths?

In the USA there are real doctors with an osteopathic medicine degree. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/osteopathic-medicine-what-i... > Essentially we need to distinguish between osteopathic medicine, which is mostly equivalent to standard medicine, and osteopathic manipulation, which is pure pseudoscience akin to straight chiropractic. > The fact that any individual physician is a DO rather than an MD really tells…

This is the first I've heard about osteopaths of imaginary medicine. Osteopaths were always DOs to me.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by yepthatsreality »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #47

What are HNers thoughts about public chiropractors that record and publish their treatments and results? I still remember Ian Rossborough (even though he got suspended after adjusting a baby) and his famous video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpNcnM0FkTM making a boy walk straight in 10 days. Honest question, is this a stunt? Scam? Fake? Magic? Bullshit?

I watched until he asks about continuing the first correction and then after the kid agrees he whacks him in the back from the other side of the the body. He can’t even fully see where he’s is striking. Like some sort of magic martial artist. I’d call it bullshit.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by prossercj »

fartcannon wrote: post #56
saurik wrote: post #40

FWIW, after spending a year seeing some doctors and getting not even a friggen correct diagnosis for my in-the-end-not-actually-a-"back"-issue, I saw an osteopath (of all things, and he did, in fact, come off like a quack) who suggested I had what I had originally self-diagnosed myself with before seeing the doctors who convinced me otherwise --a sacroiliac joint dysfunction--and then (after wasting some thankfully-s…

Let me start by saying that I agree that doctors do suck. They are people and that should be enough to understand them. But all self regulating industries with a financial incentive to lie suck. I realize this topic treads deeply into quasi-religious territory so forgive me in advance, but couldn't this just be the placebo effect? Mixed with the healing effect of someone caring about you? Maybe your physio actually g…

Not OP, But I've also had some success with chiropractic. There is some wackiness to avoid out there (the ones who treat it like a spirituality), but the one I go to currently takes a disciplined approach. They only target a few specific places based on thermal scans on the spine.

Their argument is that subluxations (misalignment of the vertebrae) impair nerve function, kind of like having a kink in a hose. Misaligned vertebrae press on nerves and make them less able to deliver signals from the brain. Those signals trigger healing, so by relieving the pressure, the body becomes more able to heal itself.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by mellosouls »

geocrasher wrote: post #49

I've lived both sides of this. I once went to a chiropractor for back issues and he made me seriously worse and it took months to recover because what he thought just needed to be put in was actually a herniated disc. Fast forward more than a decade and I have an amazing chiropractor. Every time I go there, I walk away feeling better, walking straighter, and in less pain. My daughter also goes there and the chiroprac…

If anything I think it's a shame that the quacks and the Good Guys can share the same title. But it's the same in any profession, isn't it?

No. Chiropractic medicine is pseudo-scientific, so inevitably the percentage of quacks will be far greater than in a scientific-based medicine.

So not remotely the same.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by every »

I knew an osteopath in Tulsa. I asked him about the popping thing and he gave me a straight answer (I think). He said you have a fluid sealed into your joints and like all fluids in your body, there are gases dissolved in it. If you distort the joint enough these gases will pop out of solution, like opening a can of soda or a bottle of champagne. This pop is quite forceful and stimulates nerve endings around the joint which produces (temporarily) localized muscle relaxation and a mild analgesic effect. That's why it feels better. And it takes time for the gases to be reabsorbed which is why you have to wait before you can pop the joint again. And yes, the rest is essentially bullshit...

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by fortran77 »

I had a friend who had back pain. Went to a chiropractor. He took xrays and did adjustments. For about a year and a half he did this. The doctor continued to take x-rays to show that he was improving internally!

Then one day, he was in such severe pain his wife called an ambulance who took him to the ER. He had lung cancer that had metastasized. The chiropractor completely missed the very obvious cancer on the xray which the ER spotted quickly.

He died a few months later. It was too late for any realistic attempt at treatment.

Always see a real MD first.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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Post by n3storm »

ipaddr wrote: post #23

This article is full of weak proof and elitism. If one is to go back to the 1900s to critize how the practice is formed one must remember the state of medicine. He references this but only to cast a negative light chiropractors by linking them to a time when medicine practices lack the scientific base we have now. This statement? "Who the hell peddles (real) medicine out of a kiosk" It is so elitist it out of touch.…

Is your eye doctor an ophtalmologist, optometrist or other (or both)?

In Spain ophtalmologist, like physiotherapist has studied medicine and specialized. But optometrists has not and maybe you are comparing a chiropractors (without medicine title) with optometrists.

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