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Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

What's the UEFI / secure boot situation like? Say someone's been considering a Purism machine, how does the Framework compare?

Would like to know this.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

Maybe more feedback than questions, although if there are roadmap items that would address these it'd be good to know! I'm really excited about this — besides repairability, I think the USB-C expansion cards are great, and a really neat solution to a tricky problem. I love the idea of never having to carry a USB-C dongle ever again, particularly when travelling.

The blocker that is stopping me ordering this today (besides being in Canada) is:

1. The display. I've spent the last several years using laptops with higher resolution displays (either Macbook Pros or, more recently, a 4k Dell XPS 13), and honestly, I'm not going back. It's a shame that the one thing that doesn't seem to be upgradeable right now is the screen configuration. (I realise that the Framework's display isn't exactly low-res, but it feels like it's going to be in an uncanny valley of not quite HiDPI/Retina.)

Beyond that, other things I wish were different (or at least clearer), but which aren't blockers:

1. Like other commenters, I don't use Windows, and I don't particularly want to pay for a Windows licence. 2. There's no mention I can see on the product page of how many external displays are supported, and in what configurations, and that's important to me. 3. I'd probably be more comfortable if some late pre-production units had made it to independent reviewers for judging things like battery life and the display. (I'd love to see an Anandtech breakdown of a Framework!)

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

Thank you very much for what you build. It's amazing, and will be the perfect replacement for my aging laptop.

The only thing missing for me is an ethernet port (which I need to connect to the internal network at work). Do you have any plan to add it as an extension card ? If no, any technical reasons why not ?

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Really exciting and congrats on the launch! I was somewhat hoping there would be “see through” options for the bezel and the keyboard/trackpad frame - maybe a future consideration? I’m likely going to order one in the near future to use as my Linux driver.

Thanks! We actually do have a clear keyboard design (https://youtu.be/XFrJcjCbCA8?t=1005) which we'll be making available later this summer. We've prototyped a transparent bezel too, but aren't happy with the quality on it just yet. That is something we'd love to make available too though.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

When Apple came out with flat keyboards (~2007/2008?) the entire industry copied the trend.

The tops of the keys are flat, giving very little "context" to your fingers for accurate typing. It is hard to find the center or edges of the keys, which would be easier on sculpted keys which are concave and conform to your fingers.

Do manufacturers even make keyboards like that for laptops anymore?

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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I've been eagerly anticipating this, and am very pleasantly surprised by the price. Excited to have pre-ordered in batch #1 :)

Thanks! We wanted to make the it a really easy choice, and didn't want anyone to have to pay more for a longer-lasting product.

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!

Why go with an intel plastform right now when AMD laptops CPU are lapping intel ones for heavily multithreaded work like compiling? I suspect for developers which probably represent a larger than normal segment of your potential customers, that AMD cpus would have been the better choice for battery life and multithread?

Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you plan to sell the prebuilt systems with linux preinstalled (or with no OS)? I have no desire for my money to go to Microsoft, and no desire for Windows, but the prebuilt model is intriguing to me.

Preloading a Linux distro is something we may do in the future. We've made the DIY Edition super easy to set up though for folks who don't want Windows in the meantime.

preinstalled linux is a hard requirement for many users, even if they want to reinstall it themselves. It gives an assurance that CPU throttling, suspension, hibernation, will work correctly. Otherwise it feels like a lottery. Of course a linux install is easy and will always work; but will it work correctly? If you offer preinstalled linuxes we can be sure it does.
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