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Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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Google is well diversified. You even mentioned Youtube and Android. GCP isn't at the top but it's huge. Google docs/business suite is taking over, it's the goto for startups. They have a mobile carrier business. Self driving cars (although its dropping in valuation but they do have a large stake in Uber). Google is now Alphabet which it restructured into because of its diversification. Small nit: FB wasnt public 10yr…

Youtube is a net loss and GCP has a 4.6% market share so I wouldn't really count this as diversified since very little of their overall revenue comes out of these two projects? Google docs / business is interesting but I'm not sure they make much money out of it and are scatting on the freemium tier success.

Google Docs is a very distant second.

https://www.ciodive.com/news/Google-Microsoft-Office-collabo...

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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>Verizon will get $4.25 billion in cash from the sale along with its 10% stake in the company. Verizon and Apollo said they expect the transaction to close in the second half of 2021.

Version paid $4.4 billion for AOL and $4.5 billion for Yahoo and now sell it for $4.25 billion w/10% stake. Am I missing something? why company (Version) just waste money like this?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/03/verizon-sells-yahoo-and-aol-...

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is well diversified. You even mentioned Youtube and Android. GCP isn't at the top but it's huge. Google docs/business suite is taking over, it's the goto for startups. They have a mobile carrier business. Self driving cars (although its dropping in valuation but they do have a large stake in Uber). Google is now Alphabet which it restructured into because of its diversification. Small nit: FB wasnt public 10yr…

Google is well diversified in its business endeavors but hasn't been capitalize on that for a better diversified revenue stream.

How else do you measure whether it is successfully diversifying if not by revenue or more importantly profitability?

Contrast Google with Apple. Even though the iPhone is 60% of Apple’s business, last time I checked, the Mac business alone would put its revenue well within the top 100 companies.

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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I worked at Yahoo! when this was going on, I’m amazed the share holders didn’t sue Jerry Yang and the board for avoiding this sale. Yahoo had very little of technological value and was actively trying to destroy its own search business amongst other properties at the time. They really were in a prime position and bungled it extremely badly, I think they had maybe 20% of the search market at the time. Carol Bartz late…

If you are flabbergasted by the fact Yahoo, and everyone else for that matter, thought it absolutely impossible to disrupt Google (except for perhaps a handful of hubris-riddled people at MS), please remember the general sentiment HN used to have towards Google who according to us, at that time, could do no wrong. They were infallible. They were the brightest people in the world. They were The Good Guy (TM). They were so good that when they launched a browser later that year, no one blinked before installing it. You didn't blink. I didn't blink. We just drank the cool aid and clicked "install".

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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I worked at Yahoo! when this was going on, I’m amazed the share holders didn’t sue Jerry Yang and the board for avoiding this sale. Yahoo had very little of technological value and was actively trying to destroy its own search business amongst other properties at the time. They really were in a prime position and bungled it extremely badly, I think they had maybe 20% of the search market at the time. Carol Bartz late…

Even if you worked there, you may not have been aware of the fact that Yahoo already had an investment in a still small, but exponentially growing ecommerce startup in China, or that part of the reason the deal fell apart was because of a difference in opinion over how to value that asset.

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>Verizon will get $4.25 billion in cash from the sale along with its 10% stake in the company. Verizon and Apollo said they expect the transaction to close in the second half of 2021. Version paid $4.4 billion for AOL and $4.5 billion for Yahoo and now sell it for $4.25 billion w/10% stake. Am I missing something? why company (Version) just waste money like this? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/03/verizon-sells-yahoo-an…

I worked for HuffPost (which was owned by Aol) at the time of the Verizon acquisition, and the story was that Verizon wanted to get deeper into the media and advertising game. It seemed dubious to many of us at the time. But I guess they probably felt they had to counter AT&T and Comcast.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is well diversified in its business endeavors but hasn't been capitalize on that for a better diversified revenue stream.

How else do you measure whether it is successfully diversifying if not by revenue or more importantly profitability? Contrast Google with Apple. Even though the iPhone is 60% of Apple’s business, last time I checked, the Mac business alone would put its revenue well within the top 100 companies.

That was my point - that Google isn’t ACTUALLY well diversified compared to its contemporaries.

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I worked at Yahoo! when this was going on, I’m amazed the share holders didn’t sue Jerry Yang and the board for avoiding this sale. Yahoo had very little of technological value and was actively trying to destroy its own search business amongst other properties at the time. They really were in a prime position and bungled it extremely badly, I think they had maybe 20% of the search market at the time. Carol Bartz late…

Pure Harvard Business School spreadsheet stuff. Business degrees might be destroying the nation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/l7n33v/my_dad_has_ta...

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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post #64

I worked at Yahoo! when this was going on, I’m amazed the share holders didn’t sue Jerry Yang and the board for avoiding this sale. Yahoo had very little of technological value and was actively trying to destroy its own search business amongst other properties at the time. They really were in a prime position and bungled it extremely badly, I think they had maybe 20% of the search market at the time. Carol Bartz late…

If you are flabbergasted by the fact Yahoo, and everyone else for that matter, thought it absolutely impossible to disrupt Google (except for perhaps a handful of hubris-riddled people at MS), please remember the general sentiment HN used to have towards Google who according to us, at that time, could do no wrong. They were infallible. They were the brightest people in the world. They were The Good Guy (TM). They wer…

Chrome was an excellent browser when it launched... It might not be able to compete with such a wide gap against all the Chromium based clones out there now, but it was rightfully an amazing experience. Initially its only competition felt like Firefox

Re: Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008)

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I worked at Yahoo! when this was going on, I’m amazed the share holders didn’t sue Jerry Yang and the board for avoiding this sale. Yahoo had very little of technological value and was actively trying to destroy its own search business amongst other properties at the time. They really were in a prime position and bungled it extremely badly, I think they had maybe 20% of the search market at the time. Carol Bartz late…

> I worked at Yahoo! when this was going on

As did I

> I'm amazed share holders didn't sure Jerry Yang and the board for avoiding the sale.

There was a lawsuit: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/yahoo-settles-lawsuits...

> Yahoo had very little of technological value and was actively trying to destroy its own search business amongst other properties at the time.

I'm not sure what you are referring to there. There was a lot of investment going on in search at the time. Certainly, critics (including me) felt it was maybe not the right investment, but "actively trying to destroy its own search business" doesn't ring true.

> They really were in a prime position and bungled it extremely badly, I think they had maybe 20% of the search market at the time.

20% market share was unfortunately, a very weak position that was deteriorating pretty rapidly. The network effect ensured that the search business would continue to reward the dominant player dramatically more so than the smaller players, even if the smaller players had a technically superior product, which was what Bartz was getting at.

"She made it very clear the equation for success was money spent === great search engine results, ignoring how Google came into being in the first place."

That's not ignoring how Google came into being, and the "money spent === great search engine results" isn't exactly what she said either. There's a reality that the business had evolved (not accidentally) to the point where barriers to entry were increasingly higher and more costly and the rewards disproportionately went to the dominant players. It is typical Harvard Business School stuff, because it's not at all an unusual circumstance in business.

> It still feels like a wasted opportunity to me, it seems so weak to just throw your hands up in the air and say it’s too hard to make your extremely successful search engine better.

If you'll recall, they made the engine better; it didn't matter. Less than a quarter of the market would switch to another engine even if you gave them absolutely the worst results, and smaller differences in search quality impacted the behaviour of less than 10% of the market. Hell, there was still a ton of traffic going to Alta Vista despite that engine no longer being different from Yahoo's. Meanwhile the advertisers hugely favoured larger market share, and the consequently more efficient market yielded huge marginal rewards in terms of quality and profit. The search engine battle had largely already been lost by then; it was largely lost several years prior (arguably as far back as Google's AOL deal). The opportunity wasn't "wasted": they'd thrown pretty much everything at it, and come up short.

To this day, Google still has a dominant market share, despite a plethora of would be competitors. Sure, there is a possibility for a market disruption to change the game, but in a decade and a half, that has yet to emerge, so if you'd bet on game changing disruption in 2008 (and many investors did), from an investor's perspective, you'd have lost that bet.

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