How about big NO!
Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all
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Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all
#62still super super super wondering what we do with Android Auto in 4 years, in 5 years.
will car manufacturer's have replacement brains, such that the car can get security updates?
will we just keep running Linux 4.12 in the year 2038?
Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that you're not going to have this choice. You'll be that guy insisting he wants a phone that's thicker but has better battery life - no manufacturer cares what you want because they have to operate at a scale where they can't cater for niches.
I'm not so sure. Look at the European market: manual gears everywhere. Look at the UK, South African and Autraslian market: the car is inversed, with the wheel on the right. The car market seems way different than the phone market. It's not an information platform, it moves matter. It's not virtual, it's real. It's not luxury like the phone used to be, people life depends on it already. It's not a free market, but he…
>Look at the European market: manual gears everywhere.
Because "screw the fuel economy I shift when I want" is the only way to have a decent driving experience when you have 1L of displacement responsible for 4000lb of vehicle.
>The market for maintenance and service is it's own industry, and the state is deep in it.
It's pretty amazing the stuff the state trainers have to say about what the state thinks about safety emissions. It's a hot take to say the least.
>Finally, if a car fails, a BSOD becomes quite literal.
This is really over blown. Even "the wheel fell off" type mechanical failures result in the vehicle grinding to a halt, usually making it to the side of the road (AI that thinks a pole is an HOV lane notwithstanding)
Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all
#64I don't want my car to be a software platform. I want it to be like my microwave. It might have software, but software is only incidental to its operation. I do not want to tweet from my microwave. I do not want ads in traffic. This is non-negotiable for safety reasons alone. I don't care what I have to do to attain that. If that means replacing the radio. I will do it. If you brick my car if I don't have a Manufactu…
The problem is that you're not going to have this choice. You'll be that guy insisting he wants a phone that's thicker but has better battery life - no manufacturer cares what you want because they have to operate at a scale where they can't cater for niches.
I get that the big automakers believe that, and boy are they going to be in for a surprise when the market rejects their plans and foreign/upstart automakers take what little marketshare they have left from the last time they decided they could shove bad products down people's throats. For some reason the automakers lack good product people, and are constantly trying to chase rents rather than compete by producing reliable, affordable, good cars that people want to buy.
Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all
#65This future is already starting to play out in certain countries in Europe. Total Car Ownership is quite a bit more expensive than in the US and for people living in a city this seems like a fairly obvious cause and effect development.
Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all
#66still super super super wondering what we do with Android Auto in 4 years, in 5 years. will car manufacturer's have replacement brains, such that the car can get security updates? will we just keep running Linux 4.12 in the year 2038?
Android Auto will remain crippled because:
1. It requires some level of support from the car makers and they typically don't make significant functionality changes in software updates (eg: my car as a wide-screen aspect ratio but Android Auto displays in a smaller portion. The car probably needs an update to fix that but it's been 1.5 years so that's not gonna happen.)
2. Car makers do not want to give Google even more data and will lobby/restrict access as much as needed so theh control user data and sell it themselves to profit.
CarPlay has a better shot since Apple can strong-arm people into doing what they want but Google is not in that position position car makers since everyone saw what happened to Android OEMs battling to differentiate.
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#67Can't wait for the deaths during bushfires when the phone network is down but your car won't start because it's time to check the licensing server.
There have already been examples where hire cars are stuck in parking garages because of no signal to reach their servers.
Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its interesting that we have created a world where the people who build software are often the most skeptical of and aviodant of the software industry.
I feel like a luddite sometimes. I want to limit as much as possible how many devices I own that have access to the internet. My computer(s), HTPC, phone, game consoles, and that's it. There's no reason anything else ever needs internet access.
>I feel like a luddite sometimes.
Luddites were right in their own way: their point was not against technology in abstract, but about the destruction it brought to their line of work with no alternative offered.
But, Luddites aside, being enthusiastic for any application of technology is a sign of the idiot consumer or the naive futurist.
The actual technologist knows that some tools are good for X and not for Y use cases, and also knows when to cut down technology (as opposed to add for the sake of it).
(Same way we don't add features to our programs for the sake of it, and many features are put there by demand of the marketing team to get more money out of users, not to give them something better).
Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all
#69I don't want my car to be a software platform. I want it to be like my microwave. It might have software, but software is only incidental to its operation. I do not want to tweet from my microwave. I do not want ads in traffic. This is non-negotiable for safety reasons alone. I don't care what I have to do to attain that. If that means replacing the radio. I will do it. If you brick my car if I don't have a Manufactu…
> I do not want ads in traffic. This is non-negotiable for safety reasons alone. LMAO! OK, who's gonna tell him about the ads on the radio?
LMAO fail.
Radio is optional as you can switch it off at any time, change the volume, is not imposed by the manufacturer, and you had the option to listen to your own cassetes and later CDs and digital for 50+ years.
Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all
#70Software updates require approval in the EU just like hardware changes if it significantly changes the car. Tesla is already on thin (or rather close to nonexistent) ice by just updating. This won't be allowed in the EU unless new laws are made (and I personally doubt it will be allowed and good riddance!).