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Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by yeahnah22 »

iandanforth wrote: post #56
yeahnah22 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He literally discusses the origins and problems of various personality tests in his article

"he knew the Big Five was solid as science" His discussion is neither critical nor credible.

He’s assuming some knowledge and experience on the part of the reader; that’s how it appears to me.

Upon reflection it seems like he went overly broad with the scope of this article.

If you’ve already interacted with things like the Enneagram test, you’ll already have the context to deal with his comments.

I learned a ton from this post, perhaps it’s because I’ve had a lot of experience interacting with all the problems and challenges he lists out. I got a lot of nuggets from it in terms of insights into problems I have faced and will continue to face.

Perhaps for the less experienced, this is less helpful, as they would miss this context.

Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by petercooper »

yeahnah22 wrote: post #58

It’s become a trope that the news written about topics we know is woeful and unreliable, yet we trust the news written about anything else. Now I feel the same about HN. I know a decent amount about this topic - and the comments on this article are a dumpster fire so far. Hot take after hot take from people who didn’t understand the article, but act as if they did. Is the rest of HN like this, too?

Is the rest of HN like this, too?

There are certainly topics where the median level of discourse on HN doesn't approach the professional level of understanding (advertising is the one I notice) but that's true of any broad community. The overall level of discourse and knowledge on here is high regardless.

Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by mleonhard »

yeahnah22 wrote: post #58

It’s become a trope that the news written about topics we know is woeful and unreliable, yet we trust the news written about anything else. Now I feel the same about HN. I know a decent amount about this topic - and the comments on this article are a dumpster fire so far. Hot take after hot take from people who didn’t understand the article, but act as if they did. Is the rest of HN like this, too?

The articles on software engineering are often high quality. The HN comments on such articles are usually better than the articles.

I check https://news.ycombinator.com/classic rather than the front page.

I have noticed that, in the last 6 months or so, more low-quality comments get voted to the first page on HN posts than before. It feels like a new Eternal September. I spend more of my downvotes on distracting reddit-style comments than on incorrect posts. Is my change in downvoting behavior contributing to the decline?

Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by phkahler »

yeahnah22 wrote: post #58

It’s become a trope that the news written about topics we know is woeful and unreliable, yet we trust the news written about anything else. Now I feel the same about HN. I know a decent amount about this topic - and the comments on this article are a dumpster fire so far. Hot take after hot take from people who didn’t understand the article, but act as if they did. Is the rest of HN like this, too?

What I got out of it is the concept from psychology -> distinguishing self from other. You want to make sure your perceptions are real and not projections, that your reactions are appropriate and not transference. The only way to avoid those things is to recognize what it coming from within yourself. I can see how that sounds stupid or absurd to a lot of people, however it's like the blub paradox - if you're looking up the abstraction ladder all you see is a bunch of strange words and jargon.

I can see fairly clearly, and some of that is due to psychoanalysis that nearly killed me. Another very closely related psych truism is that there are hidden influences lurking below your conscious perception, and often another level below that. Most people reject that notion (obviously, they can't see it) and some get angry (that's often a defense against finding that which is hidden).

When you see the dumpster fire here, it's the dumpster in their heads that they're not even aware of manifesting in the comments.

Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by samvher »

yeahnah22 wrote: post #58

It’s become a trope that the news written about topics we know is woeful and unreliable, yet we trust the news written about anything else. Now I feel the same about HN. I know a decent amount about this topic - and the comments on this article are a dumpster fire so far. Hot take after hot take from people who didn’t understand the article, but act as if they did. Is the rest of HN like this, too?

This is why there is a down-vote arrow and a reply button, right?

What I like about HN is that very often misunderstandings that initially seem believable get corrected with sources and explanation.

Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by askafriend »

yeahnah22 wrote: post #58

It’s become a trope that the news written about topics we know is woeful and unreliable, yet we trust the news written about anything else. Now I feel the same about HN. I know a decent amount about this topic - and the comments on this article are a dumpster fire so far. Hot take after hot take from people who didn’t understand the article, but act as if they did. Is the rest of HN like this, too?

Yes most of HN comments are like this with the exception of a handful.

Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by AlwaysRock »

yeahnah22 wrote: post #58

It’s become a trope that the news written about topics we know is woeful and unreliable, yet we trust the news written about anything else. Now I feel the same about HN. I know a decent amount about this topic - and the comments on this article are a dumpster fire so far. Hot take after hot take from people who didn’t understand the article, but act as if they did. Is the rest of HN like this, too?

The hottest take of all in every HN comment thread is the one talking about how bad the other comments are yet not adding anything to the conversation.

Do you have something to say about the article? You said you know a lot about the topic.

Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by eigenket »

yeahnah22 wrote: post #58

It’s become a trope that the news written about topics we know is woeful and unreliable, yet we trust the news written about anything else. Now I feel the same about HN. I know a decent amount about this topic - and the comments on this article are a dumpster fire so far. Hot take after hot take from people who didn’t understand the article, but act as if they did. Is the rest of HN like this, too?

A lot of comments on anything about quantum information/computation/foundations are definitely nonsense. Thats the only field I'm really qualified to make such judgements about.

Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by tux1968 »

iandanforth wrote: post #53

This seems like a load of crap. More specifically it seems like a pre-scientific mindset. You use analogy and metaphor to describe phenomena and structures that are only half-understood to try to rationalize them and fit them into some sort of consistent narrative. Wisdom is knowledge you can't describe. This seems like wisdom but just as it's really hard for a professional tennis player to describe exactly how they…

> it's really hard for a professional tennis player to describe exactly how they know where an opponent is going to hit a ball

Andre Agassi explains one exact way in just under three minutes:

https://youtu.be/57BMzCM6hQI

Re: What's going on here, with this human?

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Post by tlaset »

phkahler wrote: post #64
yeahnah22 wrote: post #58

It’s become a trope that the news written about topics we know is woeful and unreliable, yet we trust the news written about anything else. Now I feel the same about HN. I know a decent amount about this topic - and the comments on this article are a dumpster fire so far. Hot take after hot take from people who didn’t understand the article, but act as if they did. Is the rest of HN like this, too?

What I got out of it is the concept from psychology -> distinguishing self from other. You want to make sure your perceptions are real and not projections, that your reactions are appropriate and not transference. The only way to avoid those things is to recognize what it coming from within yourself. I can see how that sounds stupid or absurd to a lot of people, however it's like the blub paradox - if you're looking…

Projection is strong, and people are often bitten by projecting their altruistic and positive feelings on other persons, especially if they talk the talk like in this article.

Where you see a dumpster fire, I see life experience. Hiring and management is in fact one of the topics that HN is quite good at.

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