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Re: History of Techno

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Classic history tree of electronic music : http://music.ishkur.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26212706

Is it me or is drum and bass entirely missing from that site? Not sure you can have a real history tree of electronic music that misses it out.

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That comic is the funniest fucking thing I've seen in a long time. I was literally just making the argument with my friends who were going "oh, I wish Tiesto was still playing trance; he turned his back on the trance scene" to which I responded "Tiesto was never a trance DJ, he was a mainstage DJ. He's still a mainstage DJ, and you don't get on the mainstage playing trance anymore".

You don't get on the main stage without words/lyrics. Also, any musician that wants to get big should know that the fastest way is to add words/lyrics. Music is such a universal language that it needs to be annotated or something.

> Also, any musician that wants to get big should know that the fastest way is to add words/lyrics

Ahem. I think you'll find it's a little bit more complicated than that

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Do you happen to know if the old version of "Ishkur's guide to electronic music" is still available somewhere? IIRC it was a flash site with mostly music bubbles. It opened me up to fringe music genre's like Italo, Acid Jazz and Ghetto Tech.

I believe it's here, but of course you need Flash http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/ Another favorite is Ishkur's "trancecracker" comic, which you can find here: https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=245900

I haven’t used a Flash site for ages but I guess it would not be impossible to run it in a VM somehow.

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I believe it's here, but of course you need Flash http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/ Another favorite is Ishkur's "trancecracker" comic, which you can find here: https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=245900

That comic is the funniest fucking thing I've seen in a long time. I was literally just making the argument with my friends who were going "oh, I wish Tiesto was still playing trance; he turned his back on the trance scene" to which I responded "Tiesto was never a trance DJ, he was a mainstage DJ. He's still a mainstage DJ, and you don't get on the mainstage playing trance anymore".

Love that comic, first saw it like 15 years ago or so (^_^)

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Techno finds its roots in tribal music. Its repetitive patterns allow deep self-reflection and strong connection to inner feelings. disclaimer: I love techno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx9GH6L7VwI This one has connected with me recently on that more tribal level!

Thanks for sharing!

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Classic history tree of electronic music : http://music.ishkur.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26212706

Its easy to miss but descriptions of the different genres are the true mvp. Some of the saltiest things I have read, true hilarity. E.g `Eurotrance`: > "The rank repugnance of the self-fellating culture of DJ worship is at the forefront of this many-headed hydra of rapacious rot. Overbearing anthems, boring breakdowns, and tasteless DJ vanity have combined into one monstrous, obnoxious, pompous, unlistenable Babyloni…

These kind of rants have gone really old for me, like the person is stuck in 2009 at the golden age of Pitchfork/Vice/Hipster blogs... music elitism/criticism.

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Juan García Castillejo wrote in 1944 'La telegrafía rápida: el triteclado y la música eléctrica' (Fast telegraphy, trikeyboard, and electric music). You can read the gist of it at https://nathanjohnthompson.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/la-teleg... Here's the book in Spanish https://archive.org/details/latelegrafiarapida.eltritecladoy... and this is a homage to his work in 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZk6WrbOKw

Check out the soviet Nikolai Voinov who worked with electronic graphical sounds in the 1930s https://youtu.be/Mmejo9WL2gY

Very interesting. Thanks for that link.

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Its easy to miss but descriptions of the different genres are the true mvp. Some of the saltiest things I have read, true hilarity. E.g `Eurotrance`: > "The rank repugnance of the self-fellating culture of DJ worship is at the forefront of this many-headed hydra of rapacious rot. Overbearing anthems, boring breakdowns, and tasteless DJ vanity have combined into one monstrous, obnoxious, pompous, unlistenable Babyloni…

These kind of rants have gone really old for me, like the person is stuck in 2009 at the golden age of Pitchfork/Vice/Hipster blogs... music elitism/criticism.

Except Ishkur is running his electronic music site since 2000. Which is basically since the beginning of time in internet terms.

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This is about as conventional a narrative as you can get. I've never been happy with it though, it's way too much of a tidy, linear, clean through-line. For instance, this narrative always leave out free-style and electro like Hashim (example: 1983, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykK0uEjSsqY ), Newcleus, etc. Soulsonic Force (1982: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQ11l4uiM4 ) predated Atkins Cybotron project and At…

They try to be as concise as possible. For example, they completely missed out Front 242, Nitzer Ebb. However they at least mention the genre, EBM. And to be honest: what is techno else than Tallas invention in a record store? Frontpage magazine? So many things left out, but who cares? You either witnessed parts of the 90th or not. ;) I never understood my parents fondness for Woodstock and how an e guitar could be t…

I think my main contention can be illustrated by trying to discover where Disco comes from. I was looking for this kind of shoestring style story for years.

Then I gave up trying to construct it. The reality is it's a bunch of things smashed together like pressing all the buttons at the soda fountain at once. That's what happened.

That's where techno came from as well.

Sometimes the narratives are super clean, like rappers delight for rap (there's pre rappers delight style rap records, but under like a dozen or so) or the amen break and dnb or the configuration of the swing drum kit for swing music or house music proper being "the stuff knuckles plays" in Chicago.

But a few styles are inherently messy with no clean lines. Rock, Disco and Techno are three

Rock is especially super messy, here's Meade Lux Lewis in 1927 for instance, https://youtu.be/tDuLezFRMNU swap the piano with a guitar and you have 50s rock

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