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Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by 101001001001 »

narush wrote: post #5

For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

I second this. Nutritional epidemiology is a crime against science and is responsible for countless deaths and billions in lost productivity, unnecessary medical treatment. Fight against nutritional epidemiology for the good of society.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by cycrutchfield »

serverholic wrote: post #51
cycrutchfield wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, hunter-gatherer tribes eat 60% of their calories in refined sugars? Or are you conflating any form of sugar (specifically in fruit) and refined sugars such as in soft drinks?

No I'm talking about honey or plain white sugar depending on the tribe. I forgot their names but there are 3 main tribes that I remember being studied. Two of them ate significant amounts of honey and a third traded for refined white sugar.

Got it, I think this may be one that you were referring to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadza_people

>Honey represents a substantial portion of the Hadza diet (~10-20% of calories)

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by andi999 »

renewiltord wrote: post #42
bellyfullofbac wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember reading a news story that an international organization (in my memory it was the UN) wanted to issue a warning about all sugar, but the US government representatives lobbied hard for the wording to be changed, because of the US food industry. Sadly I once tried to refind this story by googling but couldn't find it again, so I might as well be screaming, "the second coming is nigh!"

It's got to be either this or some sort of absorption mechanism with fiber+fructose, right? I've heard the following few, but I have no evidence: * The lobbying thing * That fiber gets you full so you don't eat as much fructose * That fiber modifies the absorption process

Then juice, especially orange juice should be as bad as sugar (which I think it is).

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by cycrutchfield »

sachdevap wrote: post #58
skohan wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes exactly. Sugar should probably be placed in the same category as alcohol in terms of health consideration. It's fine to enjoy in moderation, but fundamentally toxic. Less acutely toxic than alcohol, but more strongly habit-forming.

Sugar is not fundamentally toxic. This is a very poor conclusion to draw, and even more so when, as someone else suggested, expanding this to all carbs. Glucose is used in IV drips, and in emergency conditions, providing someone with glucose and electrolytes can prevent them from passing out.

When people say sugar they are generally referring to sucrose. When they say that sugar is toxic, it's not because it's broken down into glucose, it's because it is also broken down into fructose.

The metabolism of fructose is somewhat analogous to that of ethanol.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3649103/

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by serverholic »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #62
serverholic wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I'm talking about honey or plain white sugar depending on the tribe. I forgot their names but there are 3 main tribes that I remember being studied. Two of them ate significant amounts of honey and a third traded for refined white sugar.

Got it, I think this may be one that you were referring to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadza_people >Honey represents a substantial portion of the Hadza diet (~10-20% of calories)

Yep that's one of them. They eat roughly the same amount on average as UK citizens but don't have the metabolic issues.

There is another tribe that will eat up to 60% of their calories from honey depending on the availability of food.

Another tribe trades with first-world countries for white sugar.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by parineum »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #64
sachdevap wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar is not fundamentally toxic. This is a very poor conclusion to draw, and even more so when, as someone else suggested, expanding this to all carbs. Glucose is used in IV drips, and in emergency conditions, providing someone with glucose and electrolytes can prevent them from passing out.

When people say sugar they are generally referring to sucrose. When they say that sugar is toxic, it's not because it's broken down into glucose, it's because it is also broken down into fructose. The metabolism of fructose is somewhat analogous to that of ethanol. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3649103/

> The metabolism of fructose is somewhat analogous to that of ethanol.

Does that mean it's toxic?

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by totony »

papandada wrote: post #45

As a 41 year old man getting remarried, I'm personally interested in the subject of serum testosterone. I have noticed a sharp decline the past couple years and I'm sure aging plus computer job plus covid is a noxious blend. General advice out there includes lower stress, lose weight, keep active, get sleep, weightlifting is good, cardio is good but maybe not too much, IF may be good. Scientific studies are good but…

A lot of people are starting to use TRT in older age. If it worries you this much maybe you should ask youe doctor.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by latenightcoding »

narush wrote: post #5

For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

What does "mito" have to do with anything lol.

"nutritional epidemiology is shady science, but if you are doing it try my side project mito" can't argue with that.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by samatman »

totony wrote: post #67
papandada wrote: post #45

As a 41 year old man getting remarried, I'm personally interested in the subject of serum testosterone. I have noticed a sharp decline the past couple years and I'm sure aging plus computer job plus covid is a noxious blend. General advice out there includes lower stress, lose weight, keep active, get sleep, weightlifting is good, cardio is good but maybe not too much, IF may be good. Scientific studies are good but…

A lot of people are starting to use TRT in older age. If it worries you this much maybe you should ask youe doctor.

Since he mentioned that he's getting remarried, it's possible that fertility is even more important than sexual performance here.

So be sure you're asking the right doctor.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by papandada »

totony wrote: post #67
papandada wrote: post #45

As a 41 year old man getting remarried, I'm personally interested in the subject of serum testosterone. I have noticed a sharp decline the past couple years and I'm sure aging plus computer job plus covid is a noxious blend. General advice out there includes lower stress, lose weight, keep active, get sleep, weightlifting is good, cardio is good but maybe not too much, IF may be good. Scientific studies are good but…

A lot of people are starting to use TRT in older age. If it worries you this much maybe you should ask youe doctor.

I am aware of TRT thanks. Do you have personal experience with it?
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