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Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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> For my part, I held LOL ouch. Selling prior to 2016 must sting. It makes sense that somebody who made this mistake would be bitter. This guys take of: > It has failed to be a useful currency, invented a new class of internet abuse, further enriched the rich, wasted staggering amounts of electricity, hastened climate change, ruined hundreds of otherwise promising projects, provided a climate for hundreds of scams to…

Seems completely on the mark to me. Your dismissals don't seem appropriate to HN.

Please name one good thing crypto helps people accomplish that doesn't involve breaking the law (or speculation.)

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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If we look at Lightning, it enables a full implementation of the 402 response code flow, which would allow for decentralized identity and payments in the use of machine learning networks for a wide variety of AI based systems. One such use case may end up being the "killer" use case for crypto and may make up for the speculative phase we're in now.

> One such use case may end up being the "killer" use case for crypto and may make up for the speculative phase we're in now. If I had a penny for every time someone said "X may be the killer use case for cryptocurrencies"...

You’d have 587 million dogecoin, which is totally useful currency and not a speculative joke named after a meme.

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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TFA says "Hey! If you write a comment about this article online, disclose your stake in cryptocurrency." Otherwise I think we can safely ignore it. Stake: 0.05 BTC, 1.2 ETH

And what do we do if someone has a large stake? Ignore their arguments? Should we do the same if they have no stake and are criticizing it? How much stake is enough, given a particular argument, to consider it on its own merits and not reject it based on cui bono? If someone doesn't disclose their stake, should we assume the worst, the best, the average? What if they're lying? (I have no stake in anything crypto rela…

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Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TFA says "Hey! If you write a comment about this article online, disclose your stake in cryptocurrency." Otherwise I think we can safely ignore it. Stake: 0.05 BTC, 1.2 ETH

And what do we do if someone has a large stake? Ignore their arguments? Should we do the same if they have no stake and are criticizing it? How much stake is enough, given a particular argument, to consider it on its own merits and not reject it based on cui bono? If someone doesn't disclose their stake, should we assume the worst, the best, the average? What if they're lying? (I have no stake in anything crypto rela…

Not ignore it, but take it into consideration.

If I told you I earned $1M a year, you should keep that in mind when I say that we should lower income taxes for the betterment of the poor.

It's a suspiciously self-serving conclusion for me to have, wouldn't you say?

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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It's in it's infancy. In two decades we will know what it means to us as mankind. Cars were also dangerous, unregulated, expensive and excessively polluting. It got a lot better on all these points, and not all due to the cars: some of it was a mind shift that mankind had to make. Same will hold true for cryptocurrency.

But cars had value. They have value. They had value from day 1. Cryptocurrencies just don't. It's all smoke and mirrors, where everything would be better without the blockchain. Without irreversibility. Without everything about it. There are whole books about how terrible and useless it is. And please do what the article said: How much of your own money is dependent on you selling the lie of cryptocurrency or smart c…

> Cryptocurrencies just don't [have value]. It's all smoke and mirrors

> super-immoral going-nowhere-moral tech

lol what? Is US dollar moral? Is it not also "smoke-and-mirrors" by your definition since it's just paper that we all believe has value?

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TFA says "Hey! If you write a comment about this article online, disclose your stake in cryptocurrency." Otherwise I think we can safely ignore it. Stake: 0.05 BTC, 1.2 ETH

And what do we do if someone has a large stake? Ignore their arguments? Should we do the same if they have no stake and are criticizing it? How much stake is enough, given a particular argument, to consider it on its own merits and not reject it based on cui bono? If someone doesn't disclose their stake, should we assume the worst, the best, the average? What if they're lying? (I have no stake in anything crypto rela…

We factor in the degree of aligned incentives they have to their argument.

Oil companies can say 100% factual things about climate change too. You'd still put their arguments under more scrutiny than a non-profit panel of scientists.

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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“Basically the same bridge” is such a hilarious oversimplification that it makes your blame of the Federal Reserve even more amusing. No, absolutely no improvements in engineering, materials, process, or design in sixty years. No added overhead for environmental studies and other regulations. It’s all the Fed. Hacker News discussing economics is like arguing geopolitics with someone on peyote.

The thing is that "improvements in engineering, materials, process, or design" should make it cheaper, not more expensive. That's how it works in other industries. Although I don't think it's fair to put all the blame on the Fed. The same thing has happened in the UK and many other places.

Environmental impact study, OSHA, etc… are processes that are improvements, that clearly make it more expensive.

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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Cryptocurrency bad -> explains why basically everything related to mining is bad instead of telling us why cryptocurrencies are bad.

Should be named mining is a disaster.

PS: I have no stakes in anything that requires mining not even gold.

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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I did not learn anything from that post, it mostly read as an advertisement for ETH and the linked websites. If you are going to toute the actual legitimate use cases for blockchain, please name at least one.

Not OP but the easiest one: De-Fi

Can you explain in detail? Citing sources for claimed benefits over the established services it’s replicating?

Re: Cryptocurrency Is an Abject Disaster

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I think there is a place for crypto, and I say that begrudgingly, ‘cuz ego, since I’ve been calling it all Tulips since a Bitcoin was $8. The biggest reason why Bitcoin works, and other established coins work, is because of demand from the developing world. If you don’t have reliable banks or governments then Cryptos are at least as good or better than your local banks because even if it collapses you can still acces…

From my reading it looks like the "developing world" use case is pure propaganda.

E.g. someone investigated the "bitcoin in venezuela!" claim. Actually going there and tracking down use. Turns out it was a bitcoin investor who went to venezuela to do a transaction for the sole purpose of screaming "bitcoin in venezuela" to pump up the price.

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