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Re: India’s second wave

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Post by collyw »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #15
dataflow wrote: post #11

The situation is also horrible in Brazil (14M cases, 378k deaths, ICUs near full): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/brazil-alarming-high-num... One can only wonder if it's simply a matter of time before variants break through vaccines in the US too.

I've heard there's an Indian variant that affects vaccinated people in the UK; it's not as clear cut though, this article seems a bit uncertain about it atm: https://news.sky.com/story/is-the-indian-covid-variant-more-...

Keep believing the covid hype. they have said this about most of the variants, but I see no evidence of them actually being more deadly.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

esperent wrote: post #36
throwaway4good wrote: post #6

It is sadly predictable that the pandemic would end up becoming a permanent source of havoc in less developed part of the world, even as it comes under control in the west. This will for certain be with us for many years to come and will further distort the difference between rich and poor. Not at least helped by the nationalism in the west in form of export controls and patents.

I live in a less developed part of the world - Vietnam - and the government and people have been incredibly successful in controlling the virus here. Aside from two short lockdowns of a couple of weeks, my life has barely been affected (except for the lack of tourists and the fact I can't travel outside the country). Local tourism and business seems to be booming. Meanwhile I hear all the stories from back home in Eu…

Vietnam and India aren't so comparable. In spite of both getting the label "developing country", India has more extreme poverty than Vietnam. Vietnam is also a more centralized, authoritarian state that is in a better position to enforce restrictions.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by collyw »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #18
rataata_jr wrote: post #5

Not leading to deaths, but just increasing case numbers, that is good news.

It's ignorant to maintain the position not dying from it is enough to not give a shit about it. It's still a crippling disease that can cause organ scarring and long-term illness, and letting it run free provides it with a breeding ground to provide new variants. I mean the past year and a half have been a real life version of Plague Inc; the 'contagion' marker and mutations have been played with so far, the 'deadlin…

How can you say it causes long term damage when it has barely been around for a year?

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by freddealmeida »

I honestly don't think this is clearly understood by the authorities and they are causing more harm than good. We don't really yet understand Covid or the impact of specific policies like lockdowns, lack of other health inducing activities (exercise, essential vitamins, genetics, food quality, etc). More over, Stanford (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/) has shown masks don't work. Lockdowns probably have a deleterious affect and we have yet to isolate and purify the Covid19 virus (CDC is being sued on this at the moment).

This in my opinion is data manipulation to push an agenda. India is probably fine. I call bullshit

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by qart »

notsureaboutpg wrote: post #41
qart wrote: post #25

Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive. All the more reason everyone should mask up. And yet, most people stopped masking months ago. Crowds are as bad as they were in 2019. On top of that, doctors here have created a craze for remdesivir, resulting in a blackmarket for it. The central and state governments have mismanaged plenty of things. While they deserve their share of blame, the ord…

I think putting the blame on people for weddings, religious ceremonies (aka normal everyday life which is going to happen, even during the Afghanistan War people had wedding celebrations despite the danger) is misguided. Governments are getting rightful blame. I think the media also don't help. How many stupid news outlets were saying that Indian people have some kind of genetic immunity to COVID with absolutely no e…

The virus does not care what you consider misguided. Make all the excuses you want, but crowds lead to spreading of airborne diseases.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by kanche »

collyw wrote: post #63
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ignorant to maintain the position not dying from it is enough to not give a shit about it. It's still a crippling disease that can cause organ scarring and long-term illness, and letting it run free provides it with a breeding ground to provide new variants. I mean the past year and a half have been a real life version of Plague Inc; the 'contagion' marker and mutations have been played with so far, the 'deadlin…

How can you say it causes long term damage when it has barely been around for a year?

Say when one gets pneumonia during covid can be quite sure that it will afflict long term issues on the lung functioning.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by noja »

esperent wrote: post #59
thibran wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please differentiate more. The US and UK don't share, but the EU does. The egoism of some countries hurt the idea of a free and equal world a lot these days...

No, the EU doesn't, unfortunately. > EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced that the bloc will not share coronavirus vaccines with other countries until it has "a better production situation in the EU." This is reported by DW. https://112.international/politics/eu-wont-share-covid-vacci...

> No, the EU doesn't, unfortunately.

The EU did. For a year. And now it doesn't, since the UK and USA do not.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by esperent »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #62
esperent wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a less developed part of the world - Vietnam - and the government and people have been incredibly successful in controlling the virus here. Aside from two short lockdowns of a couple of weeks, my life has barely been affected (except for the lack of tourists and the fact I can't travel outside the country). Local tourism and business seems to be booming. Meanwhile I hear all the stories from back home in Eu…

Vietnam and India aren't so comparable. In spite of both getting the label "developing country", India has more extreme poverty than Vietnam. Vietnam is also a more centralized, authoritarian state that is in a better position to enforce restrictions.

Of course. And the US had Trump leading it through the pandemic and a huge portion of the population who view mask wearing as a violation of fundamental rights. My point is that a country's status as "developing" doesn't seem to be the determining factor in how well they'll deal with it. Other factors are more important.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by dtech »

collyw wrote: post #55
yalogin wrote: post #52

This is what I feared the first time would be, but somehow the virus spared India. The first time around majority of the population was careful, masked up and stayed indoors. The death was super low. That caused people to get over confident, people believed that covid is not harmful in the country and they fully ignored it. Now there is an Indian variant of the virus which apparently and the infection rates and death…

Still a small fraction of what Europe has experienced. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

There are serious indications that India is under-reporting death count by a factor of 5-50x. Despite showing 5-10x lower death rate in your source, it was rare for European crematoriums have backlogs like in India [1]

[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/india/non-stop-cremations-cast...

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by esperent »

noja wrote: post #67
esperent wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the EU doesn't, unfortunately. > EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced that the bloc will not share coronavirus vaccines with other countries until it has "a better production situation in the EU." This is reported by DW. https://112.international/politics/eu-wont-share-covid-vacci...

> No, the EU doesn't, unfortunately. The EU did . For a year. And now it doesn't, since the UK and USA do not.

> For a year

The first vaccine only came out about 4 months ago.

However, you are right - the EU has donated about 30 million doses, enough for 15 million people. It's not nothing, but not that much either.

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