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Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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This is right here probably a major explanation for the whole phenomena. I have seen this exact attitude with individuals who are in their 30s and living with their parents. Something in their upbringing gave them this immense sense of worth but the world isn't rewarding them for the little work they do as much as they think it's worth. This is extremely presumptive and dismissive. Also living with your parents isn't…

> living with your parents isn't necessary an indicator of a social reclusve Assuming you mean living with your parents in their house, it pretty much is. It's different if you have an elderly parent living with you in your house. Anyone in his 30s and living with his parents is going to have constrained social opportunities unless he's some kind of royalty.

This is a remarkably American perspective to the issue and may not reflect other countries’ experiences and results, at all.

Re: Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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post #27

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This is right here probably a major explanation for the whole phenomena. I have seen this exact attitude with individuals who are in their 30s and living with their parents. Something in their upbringing gave them this immense sense of worth but the world isn't rewarding them for the little work they do as much as they think it's worth. This is extremely presumptive and dismissive. Also living with your parents isn't…

> living with your parents isn't necessary an indicator of a social reclusve Assuming you mean living with your parents in their house, it pretty much is. It's different if you have an elderly parent living with you in your house. Anyone in his 30s and living with his parents is going to have constrained social opportunities unless he's some kind of royalty.

Clearly you need you need expand your horizon and explore other cultures.

Re: Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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post #9

Brief photo theory interlude: beware of rhetoric about photographs "revealing" or "exploring" things. These photographs are telling a story , and have all the subjectivities and editing that we take for granted in written works. They are not empirical evidence, they are works made to represent and persuade. When you see something framed this way, proceed skeptically!

Wow, you’ve discovered photojournalism! Incredible!

Re: Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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"According to him, he is a great man and could do extraordinary things, but he does not always try his best" This is right here probably a major explanation for the whole phenomena. I have seen this exact attitude with individuals who are in their 30s and living with their parents. Something in their upbringing gave them this immense sense of worth but the world isn't rewarding them for the little work they do as muc…

Not to completely deny your point, but we should be much more careful: in my opinion, a big part of mental illness stigma comes from the inability of society to see a culprit, and instead let the individual become the culprit. We are very biased to rationalize stuff. If we don't see an abusive family, economic problems, obvious disabilities, etc, we tend to rationalize something else and not admit that maybe there ar…

> I personally believe the best attitude is to accept that if someone can't get out of a certain situation by themselves, they need help. No additional judgement required.

This is so true, and it’s so hard to fight our own prejudice. Seeing loved ones in bad mental states is hard, and as individuals and as society we don’t really know what to do to help, so it’s easier to blame them for being there and makes us feel bad, than to confront ourselves and be good companions, even if there is not much we can do to help.

Re: Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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"According to him, he is a great man and could do extraordinary things, but he does not always try his best" This is right here probably a major explanation for the whole phenomena. I have seen this exact attitude with individuals who are in their 30s and living with their parents. Something in their upbringing gave them this immense sense of worth but the world isn't rewarding them for the little work they do as muc…

Old farts always assume what we ask for is illegitimate.

I remember a “HR Collective Negotiation” teacher in my masters (one of the top schools of France). He said “When you need to fire 193 people, don’t ask for 400 to come back to 200. Ask for 193 and negotiate until you get it.”

I’ve always applied this rule in my life. (Socially it doesn’t work at all, but I do it because I’d like to see a world that works on sincere values).

So I never demanded anything from my father up to the point I needed him. At 35 years old I told him modern women were unmanageable and my life was turning sour, and I needed help, I needed people to understand that men are being mistreated by the system, but I said it with ample documentation (you could watch the excellent movie The Red Pill, which depicts pretty much the complexity of our position), and that the only answer of society towards us is “Incel”. By the time I asked my father, I had already created some networks through politicians, but on the topic that interests me, all still had the same dismissive position, because promoting men doesn’t work politically. I’m saying that so you don’t say that I hadn’t walked my walk.

So apparently I’m able to make about 3 million dollars, between one startup which IPO’ed and my own company which has 6 employees. But I’m still not good enough for women, and worthy of being treated as the scum of the earth.

So I asked my father whether at least in my family, the upsides of men could be acknowledged, and if in addition to admiring my sister’s climb of Everest, we could acknowledge that we could give men the same kind of help for finding affection as we give women at work. I gave specific examples and came back on several angles. My father refused to respond to my demand, treating me as a spoilt brat every single time.

I do not see, when one has already contributed to society more than his father’s entire life of taxes (along with thousands of hours of volunteering, don’t assume I’m only talking in money, it’s just a symbolic result), what gives society the right to treat us as a tax slave and never give us love in return. I’ve always tried to be the kindest of all, but that’s also a receipe to be stepped upon, which seems to be an attitude that we think is totally ok for women.

There aren’t many ways besides violence to be heard by people who refuse to hear us. I’ve already tried words! And more importantly for me: I’ve already tried taking positive action.

Remains violence.

Just saying.

Re: Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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post #8

"According to him, he is a great man and could do extraordinary things, but he does not always try his best" This is right here probably a major explanation for the whole phenomena. I have seen this exact attitude with individuals who are in their 30s and living with their parents. Something in their upbringing gave them this immense sense of worth but the world isn't rewarding them for the little work they do as muc…

Old farts always assume what we ask for is illegitimate. I remember a “HR Collective Negotiation” teacher in my masters (one of the top schools of France). He said “When you need to fire 193 people, don’t ask for 400 to come back to 200. Ask for 193 and negotiate until you get it.” I’ve always applied this rule in my life. (Socially it doesn’t work at all, but I do it because I’d like to see a world that works on sin…

You're threatening violence. And what then. Do you intend to take love by force, Laurent92?

Blaming old farts. Well, I'm younger than you, but you still will not hear, from anyone, that what you're asking is far beyond "illegitimate", will you?

What is someone to do after hearing you?

Re: Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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you can also use uBlock Origin to zap the elements.

Can you get it to successfully work on this page? Zapping elements gets rid of the pop-up, but also makes scrolling impossible.

Yes I was able to get it to successfully work, you just have to keep zapping elements until the page displays properly. This also works on instagram if you're viewing without an account, though they seem to shadowban ip's now as I can't view accounts until after a few days.

Re: Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old farts always assume what we ask for is illegitimate. I remember a “HR Collective Negotiation” teacher in my masters (one of the top schools of France). He said “When you need to fire 193 people, don’t ask for 400 to come back to 200. Ask for 193 and negotiate until you get it.” I’ve always applied this rule in my life. (Socially it doesn’t work at all, but I do it because I’d like to see a world that works on sin…

You're threatening violence. And what then. Do you intend to take love by force, Laurent92? Blaming old farts. Well, I'm younger than you, but you still will not hear, from anyone, that what you're asking is far beyond "illegitimate", will you? What is someone to do after hearing you?

> what you're asking is far beyond "illegitimate"

Wanting to be acknowledged is illegitimate? Because that's really all I read from that. Being acknowledged not even for one's self, but at least for what one does or has done.

Re: Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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post #53
post #42

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I am not referring to everyone who lives at home with parents, nor am I saying that living at home with parents is a bad thing or an indicator of social recluse. What I said is I've seen this "exact attitude with individuals" (as in some individuals, not all.) For example, my daughter's kindergarten teacher lives with his parents, and I have absolutely no issue with it. However, I do know someone who is well into the…

You said it's a major explanation of the phenomena, based on your anecdotal experience.

I M theorizing it is an explanation of the phenomena of hikikomori and similar phenomena.

Re: Pictures reveal the isolated lives of Japan’s social recluses (2018)

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post #8

"According to him, he is a great man and could do extraordinary things, but he does not always try his best" This is right here probably a major explanation for the whole phenomena. I have seen this exact attitude with individuals who are in their 30s and living with their parents. Something in their upbringing gave them this immense sense of worth but the world isn't rewarding them for the little work they do as muc…

I think it's untreated underage burnout.

The imagined authority and declared lack of execution both allow him to reject expectations from others thereby taking out uncertainties. Absolutely in no offense, the last line of your comment is not an unpredictable response and also emotionally not aggressive, which I suspect is what he is expecting from people around. People in the state of burnout also won't work hard, because the soul is already spent from having previously done so. They don't seem to try to meet or exceed expectations despite looking mostly healthy, though they might think they're capable of or remember themselves to be.

Japanese education for a child in upper middle class during 2000s was horrible. It was essentially a 12 hours a day double work starting 10-12 years old that ends at university entry exam. That creates basis for excessive overtime and workaholism culture that will burn out some graduates within first three years of work if they had not already. Perhaps if they do and declines to be mourned early they'll end up here.

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