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SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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Re: SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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I'm okay with spending the X% percent of hours I would be commuting doing productive work, and double-okay with my employer reaping the productivity benefits from it.

Why - its not like your getting paid for it.

Exactly. You're not getting paid to commute. But you are getting paid to work when you would otherwise be commuting. If you're salary, its a wash. If you're hourly, you make more.

Re: SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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I don't understand why we can't just all agree that some people are more productive at home and others are not. It depends on personality, type of role and type of business. We're literally talking about hundreds of millions of people here, so pretty much any universal statement is going to be wrong.

The problem is that a lot of people are productive WFH but until very recently, this contingent had little to no sway or voice. With the pandemic, for the first time there's a major shift to WFH and now some companies want to start reigning that in. People who much prefer WFH are fighting not to lose the momentum of the last year.

Re: SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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I see another thing on WFH vs going to work is 'just a job' vs 'career'. In my 'job' where I am doing about same thing for last 5 years and will be similar in foreseeable future. So all office gossip, impromptu meeting, new project ideas coming while talking to boss and so on does not happen and neither I particularly care.

But these things do seem to matter to those who are just starting career, or have ambition to grow in current place by going beyond doing assigned tasks.

Re: SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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We actively talk over slack. There's a #random channel, a #stonks channel, et al. There's plenty of banter. But _anyone_ can mute those and focus. I _cannot_ mute a coworker talking loudly next to my desk.

> I _cannot_ mute a coworker talking loudly next to my desk. Maybe my team was more respectful. Any prolonged conversation can and was taken to a conference room or common area. I also wear noise canceling headphones most of the day, and find the general muted drone of office noises nice. People listen to recorded audio of cafes and stuff, it's basically the same for me. But to be clear: I'm not saying everyone shoul…

It's funny that you described wfh as "robotic" yet you literally have to use robot assisted noise cancellation in your office. I don't mean that to be snarky, just an observation.

I find wfh much more "human" as I can be around friends and family, go for walks, eat healthier... Probably the biggest gain is not having a boss watch me all day. That seems superbly unnatural to me.

Re: SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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Your description of ideal working conditions sounds so robotic to me. Schedule everything! No off the cuff conversations! Screw the human desire for socializing, we've got shit to do! Right now my team is comprised of no one that I've met in person. I feel absolutely no connection to them and feel so incredibly disconnected from my work. Like I've been playing the same video game for 8 hours a day for a year and noth…

We actively talk over slack. There's a #random channel, a #stonks channel, et al. There's plenty of banter. But _anyone_ can mute those and focus. I _cannot_ mute a coworker talking loudly next to my desk.

We also _write_ actively over Slack. I write into my text editor as well, I don't feel a difference. I'm staring at the same freaking screen all day, interfacing with individuals that couldn't feel more irreplaceable. Maybe they're advanced ML text and video synthesis models, I don't know.

Every day feels the same, like three weeks old chewing gum. Work is effective and incredibly empty. I don't know what we're working on. I don't care what we're working on.

The (forced) WFH revolution seems to really be a field day for introverts, nomads, misantropists and sociopaths. I'm happy for them, but I couldn't be much unhappier myself than right now.

If I had the qualifications and could afford it, I'd rather quit and work as a hospital assistant with real humans than stay one day longer in homeoffice.

Re: SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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Your description of ideal working conditions sounds so robotic to me. Schedule everything! No off the cuff conversations! Screw the human desire for socializing, we've got shit to do! Right now my team is comprised of no one that I've met in person. I feel absolutely no connection to them and feel so incredibly disconnected from my work. Like I've been playing the same video game for 8 hours a day for a year and noth…

I love not having a connection to my coworkers personally. I have some connection to the handful of people I directly collaborate with (like people who work on the same codebase), but that's it. And those interactions are far from daily, but enough that I have casual rapport. Nothing meaningful or personal required, but still a good working relationship.

I spend ~35% of my weekly waking hours with my coworkers. Despite my objection, I completely understand people who want WFH/remote. But I absolutely don't understand people with your sentiment.

Re: SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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I am _ridiculously_ more productive at home. When I hear folks complain about the pains of working from home, what I often hear are their stories about how they were needlessly disruptive to their coworkers. Having impromptu hallway meetings mean that your peers, and subordinates, must keep an ear open for such events should they risk being left out of important decision making processes. Having watercooler conversat…

There are a lot of people who don't have nice home situations. Screaming babies, cramped spaces, constant interruptions - that sort of thing. For a programmer/tech worker that has a decent place to live, I'm not surprised you think it's easy.

During the ~6y I've worked at home, in my Even so, it has never been nearly as disruptive and distracting as any office I have previously worked in.

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I am _ridiculously_ more productive at home. When I hear folks complain about the pains of working from home, what I often hear are their stories about how they were needlessly disruptive to their coworkers. Having impromptu hallway meetings mean that your peers, and subordinates, must keep an ear open for such events should they risk being left out of important decision making processes. Having watercooler conversat…

It may depend on the person and the job. Pre-pandemic I lasted only 4 months at a remote job. I kept asking to meet them (they were in Atlanta, me in Long Island, but most of them were scattered), meeting stakeholders in person gives me a charge which aids my focus and overall productivity. Anyway they kept deferring, and then one day sort of out of the blue and without warning (literally... the day prior the supervi…

How do you check during the hiring process to tell whether new hires will intuitively know when not to interrupt?

Have you often worked on teams where everyone intuitively knows when to not interrupt someone?

Every office I've ever worked in has always had people who interrupt me while I'm trying to focus. If you've got a way to exclusively hire mind-readers that can effectively avoid this, I'm curious to hear how you've managed it.

Re: SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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post #34

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That seems pretty dismissive of the people who have trouble working from home because they have more distractions at home. Not everybody can be child free, single, and live in a quiet place.

I have a wife and two children six and under. Working from home has far less distractions than any office I've ever been in.

Do you have an office? My working space at home is a small corner of the living room, a few feet from the kitchen and dining room. There is no better space.

Also, does your wife also work? I just can’t fathom how it isn’t distracting. My kids are two and five, so someone pretty much always has to be watching the two year old. You can’t fully focus on something while watching them. Even my daughter, who is five and can play by herself, is going to need something multiple times an hour; food, a different toy, to go to the bathroom, help getting something, etc.

Re: SBA executives ‘beyond doubt’ that teleworking employees are more productive

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post #32

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We actively talk over slack. There's a #random channel, a #stonks channel, et al. There's plenty of banter. But _anyone_ can mute those and focus. I _cannot_ mute a coworker talking loudly next to my desk.

We also _write_ actively over Slack. I write into my text editor as well, I don't feel a difference. I'm staring at the same freaking screen all day, interfacing with individuals that couldn't feel more irreplaceable. Maybe they're advanced ML text and video synthesis models, I don't know. Every day feels the same, like three weeks old chewing gum. Work is effective and incredibly empty. I don't know what we're worki…

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