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How Iraq’s crystal meth epidemic is ravaging the nation

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How’s does ADHD medication compare to Meth? Is it the higher dosage with Meth? When I took Aderall it said methamphetamine salt.

Adderall is amphetamine salts not methamphetamine. While methamphetamine can be prescribed for ADHD/occasionally weight loss, it's pretty rare in the US. That said, the mechanism of action is very similar

Thanks for the clarification it was a long time ago.

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Interestingly, the unemployment rate only began increasing in 2012: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SLUEM1524ZSIRQ Same pattern for total unemployment: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.TOTL.ZS?location... In 2012 it was as low as it ever had been in 20 years. So what began in 2012? ISIS? Syrian civil war refugees? Completion of U.S. military withdrawal? (All a consequence of the U.S. intervention, to be…

All 4? I imagine American occupation was "good" for employment while it was going on - providing a steady flow of income from soldiers and the military paying for goods and services while we were there.

Also, no longer being under international blockade after 10 years might help.

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How’s does ADHD medication compare to Meth? Is it the higher dosage with Meth? When I took Aderall it said methamphetamine salt.

As prescribed, it's at a much lower dosage. Adderall is tuned in 10mg increments, and meth is sold by the gram . Moreover, you absolutely can get addicted to and have serious health problems from prescribed medication -- it's a balance of risk versus reward. A handful of people prescribed stimulants have suffered sudden cardiac death. The main difference here is modality of use -- taking something, once per day, in c…

> With a prescription, you also have a steady supply and no need to commit crimes to keep up your supply.

It's almost like addicts are self-medicating and we should give them a legal, prescribed supply of medication.

> Look at when the opoid crisis became a crisis -- it was when cheap, easy opioids stopped being available.

What? In high school (20 years ago, Central PA) I knew zero people who used opiates. A few years later I knew people who made trips to Philadelphia. Now they're available everywhere. Perhaps the flow of pill scripts slowed, but fentanyl filled that gap.

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Well, the reality on the ground says that drugs being illegal does not actually make them unavailable. That much is clear! So the idea behind legalization is not "it should be easier to do drugs!" but rather: 1. It's already easy to do drugs, so how can we make it safer to do drugs? 2. Precisely because of drugs' illegality, extraordinary rents are collected by some of the worst humans on earth. Can we make drugs leg…

1) safer for those stuck in consumption patterns, yes. And safer on a whole by reducing the number of new consumers. An endorsement and social acceptance via legality is the wrong way I think. Legality would likely push people on the "I think it's bad for me, but I'm tempted to try, and since it's legal it should be ok safe" to the wrong side. 2) Those worst humans would still exist, still try to make money out of th…

> Legality would likely push people on the "I think it's bad for me, but I'm tempted to try, and since it's legal it should be ok safe" to the wrong side.

I don't believe that's a thing. Look up Research Chemicals when you have a minute. They're variations of existing drugs with pretty much the same properties, but not necessarily illegal, e.g. 1P-LSD. Governments react by making them illegal at some point, but you have quite a while until they actually are. Still, we're not seeing things like 1P-LSD in every household, because, most people don't avoid LSD for legal reasons.

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What this article totally fails to mention is the new widespread reduction techniques from the Ephedra plant (also called Mormon Tea) which grows widely around the world and even in the south western USA!

The Iraq route goes Afghanistan -> Iran -> Iraq -> ...

https://cen.acs.org/policy/global-health/Afghanistans-crysta...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine#Recreational_use

https://twitter.com/mansfieldintinc/status/13726706500291092...

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Be it Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq or Central America. Wherever British/US army goes to bring culture and democracy, drug epidemic follows along.

To be fair, Afghanistan was a huge drug producer before the US/NATO invaded. Have they become a giant consumer as well?

As far as I know, under the Taliban in the 90s there was by far the lowest amount of drug export from Afghanistan. Now its basically a pure narco/military state, far more then Columbia ever was.

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Well, the reality on the ground says that drugs being illegal does not actually make them unavailable. That much is clear! So the idea behind legalization is not "it should be easier to do drugs!" but rather: 1. It's already easy to do drugs, so how can we make it safer to do drugs? 2. Precisely because of drugs' illegality, extraordinary rents are collected by some of the worst humans on earth. Can we make drugs leg…

How is making it safer to do drugs manage addiction? Ok, so I don’t get adulterated drugs, that still doesn’t do anything for the addiction. Are we then going to actively discourage people from doing drugs? If so how? What effective form does that take?

> How is making it safer to do drugs manage addiction?

It's easier for a 15-yo to buy weed than to buy alcohol (where weed is illegal, I should add).

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I offer a counter to this: NA and its more famous cousin AA are faith-based, not evidence-based.

Can you elaborate as to why you think someone should avoid going to NA or AA because it's not "evidence"-based? It's essentially just a community where people share stories and support each other, not some religious cult.

It depends on the specific meeting, but yes, some of them are religious cults. Both my parents converted to evangelical extremism while attending AA. This has had a profound and negative impact on my life, as they forced me to go to an abusive mennonite school, among other problems too private to share.

I know some people have great experiences with these orgs, but I'd also caution people about how there are sometimes people with agendas exploiting the trust and vulnerability within these groups.

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How’s does ADHD medication compare to Meth? Is it the higher dosage with Meth? When I took Aderall it said methamphetamine salt.

They're basically the same thing. Difference is ADHD meds are 5-10mg Meth, or similar drug at a lowish dose, and orally. But you can take meth a low dose and achieve the same effect. Taking more doesn't help your performance, it makes it worse, and you get way more side effects, especially mental side effects. These build up with time.

I don’t know where this myth comes from or why it’s so prevalent but it’s completely false. Methamphetamine and amphetamine salts (e.g. Adderall) are not at all the same drug. One clear distinction is that methamphetamine is serotonergic while amphetamines are not.

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I know we have a few advocates for legalization. How do you address this scourge with legalization beyond a principles based approach and one that deals with the reality on the ground? I’m for soft drugs legalization, but when it comes to these things that just consume people I cannot see legalization as a viable approach.

I think most pro-legalization people recognize that drug addiction is largely the result of trauma, and that legalization is but one component of a holistic approach which also treats the underlying trauma (through therapy, other medications, housing and job access).
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