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US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said it was acting "out of an abundance of caution". How is putting millions of people at risk of long-term (or fatal) complications from COVID-19 an abundance of caution ? An abundance of caution would mean you give people the vaccine because that way, less people will die! Unless a thousand people are dying from the vaccine a day, the math is simple!

This is the trolley-problem/CYA type of caution.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * Novel vaccination - barely month of research. Weeks of evidence and practice. We don't have best practices yet. That is completely untrue. This vaccine has been through several clinical trials for months. We know that there are no side effects that are common enough to be of real concern. The reason we are only seeing this one now is that it is so rare.

> We know that there are no side effects that are common enough to be of real concern How did they establish that there are no long term side effects?

You've been unfairly downvoted. Your question is perfectly reasonable.

This seems to be characteristic of HN in the last couple of years... very reminiscent of Reddit imo.

Long-term effects are one of the main points of study in clinical trials so why would these drugs ben any different?

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

#63

We’ve completely transformed human civilization in a desperate attempt to slow down the spread of this virus that kills 1 in 200 people, and now we don’t want to use one of the miracle cures because of a literal one in a million chance of issues. People are absolute garbage at thinking about scale.

1 in 200 people? Maybe if you're above the age of 75 and have significant comorbities. If it was 1 in 200 for all age groups you wouldn't have to convince people that lockdowns and maskwearing isn't all theater, they'd be so scared you wouldn't have to convince them of anything.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> * Novel vaccination - barely month of research. Weeks of evidence and practice. We don't have best practices yet. That is completely untrue. This vaccine has been through several clinical trials for months. We know that there are no side effects that are common enough to be of real concern. The reason we are only seeing this one now is that it is so rare.

> We know that there are no side effects that are common enough to be of real concern How did they establish that there are no long term side effects?

Probably the same way they established that long covid is an apparent death sentence.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

#65

We’ve completely transformed human civilization in a desperate attempt to slow down the spread of this virus that kills 1 in 200 people, and now we don’t want to use one of the miracle cures because of a literal one in a million chance of issues. People are absolute garbage at thinking about scale.

> now we don’t want to use one of the miracle cures

We want if there are safer options. Not all vaccines are equal. Important question is why we unable to scale up production of mRNA vaccines?

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#66

Not fucking again , we had enough of this scaring with the AZ vaccine. While it definitely is sensible to investigate what causes thrombosis in the covid vaccines, the risk of thrombosis caused by either Covid19 itself or by everyday medication such as the anti-baby pill is many orders of magnitude larger. It would be great if media still had actual science reporters who could inform their readers that while, yes, th…

> anti-baby pill

German is such a pretty language.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less, no? 1/million is the risk so far of clots, not of death.

There's about 1/250,000 risk of clots, but they are treatable. In the UK there's been 19 people die after ~20 million vaccinations.

That’s assuming J and J has same incidence as AZ. J and J so far has had 6 clots for seven million doses.

Of course some more may show up in coming days from prior vaccinations.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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post #63

We’ve completely transformed human civilization in a desperate attempt to slow down the spread of this virus that kills 1 in 200 people, and now we don’t want to use one of the miracle cures because of a literal one in a million chance of issues. People are absolute garbage at thinking about scale.

1 in 200 people? Maybe if you're above the age of 75 and have significant comorbities. If it was 1 in 200 for all age groups you wouldn't have to convince people that lockdowns and maskwearing isn't all theater, they'd be so scared you wouldn't have to convince them of anything.

> If it was 1 in 200 for all age groups you wouldn't have to convince people that lockdowns and maskwearing isn't all theater, they'd be so scared you wouldn't have to convince them of anything.

Not really. 1 in 200 is fewer than how many die a year anyway of all causes.

Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

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We’ve completely transformed human civilization in a desperate attempt to slow down the spread of this virus that kills 1 in 200 people, and now we don’t want to use one of the miracle cures because of a literal one in a million chance of issues. People are absolute garbage at thinking about scale.

Despite our attempts at containing it, it has killed roughly 3 million people worldwide. I'd say it's cause for concern.
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