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Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#61

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Host based blocking is certainly better than nothing, but uBlock offers much more comprehensive and expansive blocking, not to mention cosmetic filtering and other features that you can't achieve with PiHole/NextDNS/AdguardDNS/Blokada etc..

For sure, it's not as powerful as something that can modify the DOM, etc. But, you can also run both, if you still prefer uBlock on your PC.

Yup, I agree. Running both right now, the additional benefit of moving DNS queries away from my ISP (I pay for NextDNS) is certainly a good one too

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#62

Can someone ELI5 the pros and cons of using uBlock Origin and/or uMatrix? Should I be using one, either, both? Are they competitors or complementary? What does each do best?

uMatrix is unmaintained and most of its functionality is supposed to be available in uBlock Origin in advanced mode.

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#63

> The Firefox version of uBO makes use of WebAssembly code for core filtering code paths. This is not the case with Chromium-based browsers because this would require an extra permission in the extension manifest which could cause friction when publishing the extension in the Chrome Web Store. Anyone know what this extra permission is and why requesting this extra permission would cause friction?

Presumably one that allows the extension to run Wasm code

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#64

Sucks, but I'm pretty locked into Chrome. I use GSuite for management, ChromeOS, etc. Maybe it means that uBlock Origin can't protect me as well, but it's pretty hard for me to give up the benefits from all of those other things. I don't see Firefox competing. Mozilla doesn't seem to believe that monetizing a browser is possible, whereas I pay thousands of dollars a year at my company because of Chrome's integrations…

ChromeOS is one thing, but what in GSuite doesn't work on Firefox?

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#65

Sucks, but I'm pretty locked into Chrome. I use GSuite for management, ChromeOS, etc. Maybe it means that uBlock Origin can't protect me as well, but it's pretty hard for me to give up the benefits from all of those other things. I don't see Firefox competing. Mozilla doesn't seem to believe that monetizing a browser is possible, whereas I pay thousands of dollars a year at my company because of Chrome's integrations…

What situation (job or whatever) has led to such vendor lock-in? Maybe if you gave more details others could avoid your situation.

I think they mean they manage a Google Workplace (formerly G Suite) org themselves, given:

> I use GSuite for management

Using FF would break existing MDM/DLP policies that they themselves have set up.

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#66
post #48

Sucks, but I'm pretty locked into Chrome. I use GSuite for management, ChromeOS, etc. Maybe it means that uBlock Origin can't protect me as well, but it's pretty hard for me to give up the benefits from all of those other things. I don't see Firefox competing. Mozilla doesn't seem to believe that monetizing a browser is possible, whereas I pay thousands of dollars a year at my company because of Chrome's integrations…

why not use g suite on firefox? g suite works fine for me.

Yeah, I use G-Suite on FF (with UBO, of course) every single day for work and personal use and have never had a single issue.

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#67

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I can’t look up a recipe for boiled eggs without coming upon a 15 paragraph essay with ads in between each paragraph. It’s so obnoxious now. I don’t mind that people want to monetize, but it’s getting off putting when it is so obnoxious.

The. Worst. I don’t care at all about any of this. Give me the time they boil for ffs. I don’t know if it’s sites paying by the word, or SEO, or some “value added” psychological trick. It is getting worse.

I think the idea is that Google allegedly prioritizes pages by user dwell time, the idea being that if someone spends 10 minutes on your page, it's more relevant than another page where the user only spends 5 seconds before closing the tab.

So forcing you to scroll through an essay on the complete history of nutmeg before you can see any of the ingredients in a chocolate chip cookie recipe may improve SEO

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t look up a recipe for boiled eggs without coming upon a 15 paragraph essay with ads in between each paragraph. It’s so obnoxious now. I don’t mind that people want to monetize, but it’s getting off putting when it is so obnoxious.

The. Worst. I don’t care at all about any of this. Give me the time they boil for ffs. I don’t know if it’s sites paying by the word, or SEO, or some “value added” psychological trick. It is getting worse.

I use https://recipe-search.typesense.org/ for finding recipes, it has scraped over 2M of them. No distractions.

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#69
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Honestly, I can't really browse on my phone anymore. I'm... spoiled by FF + uBlock and I can't tolerate all the distractions. Will we ever get enough traction on either blocking mechanisms or stop shoving ads everywhere? Will the general public experience the pleasures of an ad-less internet? P.S. I'm on an iPhone, blockers failed me so far. Thanks for the suggestions fellas.

Using Adguard on Android for some years. It works really good with Chrome and all other apps. Mobile browsing without any adblocker is a very bad experience.

Re: uBlock Origin works best on Firefox

#70
Wow, what an awesome dive into some of the technical aspects behind one of my favorite tools for using the web. And I do think of it that way these days, it's fairly stunning on some sites to switch off all the block and see how they become genuinely unbrowsable. I remember seeing Gorhill discuss a few times over the years some of the reqs for uBO during certain times (like why it could no longer work with Safari following changes Apple made a while back), but so cool to have it all collected in one place.

Having said that I've also been fairly stunned recently to see how much difference a simple DNS blacklist system can make too. Not because it's a big technical achievement but because it isn't and in principle seems relatively trivial to work around. But as I've been switching all my routing from UniFi to OPNsense, I've gone ahead and tried out Unbound's basic built-in blacklisting. While it's no uBO, it works on every single device and browser including in apps and it seems like it really shouldn't, that more parties would just be proxying ads through their own infra and DNS. Been kind of an interesting illustration of technical vs economic influences in an ecosystem. I can see how proxying would add complexity and cost to setup so it must just be that few enough people do it the ad industry can't be bothered.

But should that ever catch on (and it could, Raspberry Pi seems fairly well known) I expect uBO to be able to keep up with the cat-and-mouse long after DNS has been left behind. This piece helps underline how incredibly important maintaining a critical level of diversity in the browser ecosystem is. Just shortly ago there were a bunch of complaints again about Apple not allowing Chrome to be on iOS because it "holds back the web", but what "holding back the web" looks like is certainly a matter of perspective...

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