I really hope this continues until I no longer have to hear the words "I heard on the Joe Rogan podcast..." followed by some fully anti-science nonsense from the overly credulous. That show has a lot to answer for.
Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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#62>> Rogan, on the other hand, has confirmed that Spotify removed certain shows as a condition of their $100 million agreement with him. “There were a few episodes they didn’t want on their platform, and I was like ‘okay, I don’t care’,” Rogan shared in a recent interview with guest Fahim Anwar. It's part of their deal. Nothing to see here.
Are you being ironic? Of course there's something to see: the latest glacial shift in the accretion of content control by tech platforms.
> latest glacial shift in the accretion of content control by tech platforms
It's weird that folks are pointing to a phenomena that's been going on for generations as if it is something novel. There have always been winners and losers in who controls the message. While tech companies seem to be aggregating control over some of the message, it's not like corporate America hasn't had control for a long, long time.
Whether it was print, radio, television, cinema, blogs, podcasts, music, or some other media, there's a centralization tendency. We've had breakout periods of democratization along the way, and today I think we're more democratized than we were historically. I'd wager that diverse views are more available today than they were in, say, the 80s.
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#63The tech platforms have a meekness problem. Rogan's payday secures his family's future for the next few generations because he did some funny fancy talking to some weirdos on the internet, so good for him. On the censorship issue, meh, there's nothing to add, it's not a discussion or rational discourse. We can only hope the alternative is entertaining.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you being ironic? Of course there's something to see: the latest glacial shift in the accretion of content control by tech platforms.
Do you maybe have a graph of what the overall picture of content control by a handful of companies looks like over, say, the last 50 years?
No, do you?
If there's an implicit argument in that question I'm not able to discern it.
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#65Joe should get on to LBRY / Odysee. It would be the tipping point in moving to decentralised platforms. He'd probably make a killing too as LBRY makes it really easy to tip content creators.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you being ironic? Of course there's something to see: the latest glacial shift in the accretion of content control by tech platforms.
As opposed to content control by publishers, network television, the FCC, and studios? Spotify is not above criticism, I think it is entirely legitimate and called for to criticize Spotify without overstating your case.
This. Content producers have more freedom now than at any point in history. Previously you had to find a radio/tv station to publish your show. Now you can record it and broadcast it on YouTube or any podcast platform. (Repeat for "newspaper=>blog,twitter,substack", etc.)
The story here is that Rogan took his show off YouTube and onto Spotify as part of a huge licensing deal. Nothing was stopping him from controlling his work prior to that deal.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you being ironic? Of course there's something to see: the latest glacial shift in the accretion of content control by tech platforms.
> latest glacial shift in the accretion of content control by tech platforms It's weird that folks are pointing to a phenomena that's been going on for generations as if it is something novel. There have always been winners and losers in who controls the message. While tech companies seem to be aggregating control over some of the message, it's not like corporate America hasn't had control for a long, long time. Whet…
These people have never seen Network.
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#68One day I will also buy something for 100M just to slowly nullify its value
By the time you're in a position to buy 100M of anything, the way you extract and calculate value fundamentally changes. Spotify is a public company with a market cap of ~$50 billion so even a 1% movement in stock price can mean hundreds of millions of dollars of extra capital through stock sales or credit lines and easier recruiting. It can mean meeting contractual obligations on existing credit lines or stock heavy acquisitions that make or break other, more important deals. It can mean that one big media story they need every quarter to maintain brand awareness and maintain an intangible mote or keeping a well respected exec around longer by scratching their ego, delaying the possible depression in the stock price when they leave. Hell, their original content department might be really good at their job and so they had to fill a 100M hole in their budget so their budget grows instead of shrinks the year after.
Usually though, it means empire building and millions in bonuses for executives who won't be held accountable for the long term effects of the move.
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#69Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here?
Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff?
All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely.
But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price?
This makes me believe it's more likely staff.
If that is the case one has to wonder: is this generally the sad mental state of tech workers? Or is it rather a few employees who, emboldened by cancel-culture, will toss their political agenda around the office while other employees, intimidated by cancel-culture, shy away from calling out the obvious BS?
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn’t make me feel any specific way. I’m just referencing information. What do you mean exactly?
> It doesn’t make me feel any specific way. I think it should! It's disconcerting to see the expansion of platform censorship even if the censored party is aware of it, "doesn't care," and was in on the deal. That "it's just business" doesn't make it a neutral development. Spotify gets to decide what ideologies are acceptable for Spotify listeners. This is just one point on the graph. The overall picture is more and…
I don’t use Spotify and frankly >= 80% of the content on Spotify is for morons. In any case I do respect your commitment to freedom of speech and liberalism.