Once these tracking devices become small and cheap enough, secretly putting them on people is the next logical use case. This will be a stalker's dream come true.
Apple’s Find My network now offers new third-party finding experiences
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#62Once these tracking devices become small and cheap enough, secretly putting them on people is the next logical use case. This will be a stalker's dream come true.
One of the advantages of these being in Apple's ecosystem is that Apple will warn you if a tracking device that doesn't belong to you appears to be on your person.
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#63Why hasn't Google or a large Android manufacturer been doing this for years? BLE is not that young and and the contract tracing thing was executed extremely quickly and on the same technology (afaik, please correct).
It's not even that complex, just keep a hash of position fixes and MAC addresses and overwrite it occasionally. I could probably hack something "good enough" on my pinephone in under an hour. There's the global network where everyone is sharing fixes though... oof I don't really even want to be part of that.
It's not complex to code a proof of concept good enough to check assumptions with a possible implementation. Now, for the implementation and roll out as a product you would be probably months to years away.
Why we developers like to be so optimistic about our own creations? I can definitely hack a lot of PoCs in short time if I don't have to care about security, other users and so on, the moment you start to introduce the real world into your little PoC is usually when a hack that took 1 day explodes into a months-long project. And for good reasons.
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They don't have that information about you. From the bottom of that page: "The Find My network extends these capabilities by locating missing devices even if they can’t or don’t connect to the internet. The Find My network is a crowdsourced network of hundreds of millions of Apple devices that use Bluetooth wireless technology to detect missing devices or items nearby, and report their approximate location back to th…
End to end encryption only stops Apple from seeing the location while it's moving "End to end" on each end, the Find My app itself or other device features almost certainly leack this information to Apple or it can be gotten through trivial effort if Apple wanted it.
Do you have any supporting evidence for these claims?
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
End to end encryption only stops Apple from seeing the location while it's moving "End to end" on each end, the Find My app itself or other device features almost certainly leack this information to Apple or it can be gotten through trivial effort if Apple wanted it.
Do you have any supporting evidence for these claims?
Well for example, it is well documented that although their messages in cloud feature is "end to end encrypted", as soon as you enable icloud phone backups, apple has access to all your messages. A similar issue likely arises with this.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
End to end encryption only stops Apple from seeing the location while it's moving "End to end" on each end, the Find My app itself or other device features almost certainly leack this information to Apple or it can be gotten through trivial effort if Apple wanted it.
Do you have any supporting evidence for these claims?
Are you asking me if "End to End encryption" protects the data while at rest on each end?
If yes, please do your research on what that term means.
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Why didn’t they release their version of airdrop for almost a decade after iPhones had it? Google just doesn’t seem to care about these conveniences.
Aren’t most android phones still able to share files via Bluetooth? I thought that was the whole shtick of android back when people actually compared the two platforms.
Comparing Bluetooth file share to airdrop might sound right on paper but the real world experience is very different. BT file share never worked consistently, was super slow, requires pairing the 2 devices together and a whole bunch of other annoyances. Android beam attempted to make the initial setup more convenient but I found it hard to get the phones lined up to initiate the transfer. Android now apparently has a direct airdrop clone which should work well
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have any supporting evidence for these claims?
Are you asking me if "End to End encryption" protects the data while at rest on each end? If yes, please do your research on what that term means.
No no! I'm very aware of what E2E means, etc., I'm asking if you have supporting evidence for this statement:
> the Find My app itself or other device features almost certainly leack this information to Apple
I asked if there was any evidence pointing to this leakage, I'd like to know if it's happened before and I'm unaware of it.
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#69What I'm unclear about - does find my find and relay info about other people's stuff with your phone?
Yes, and your stuff through their devices, privately. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluet...
The part here is:
"A nearby stranger's iPhone, with no interaction from its owner, will pick up the signal, check its own location, and encrypt that location data using the public key it picked up from the laptop."
This dialog makes it unclear whether the stranger has agency to turn this on or off.
My definition of privacy includes the ability to have NO traffic, while apple has a different definition.
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#70Seems unlikely but I’m very hopeful about Apple sneakily creating the world's largest mesh network. Slowly, but surely adding functionality to the mesh. First, tiny packets piggy- backed through wifi/wireless carriers. Seamlessly sharing wifi passwords with friends. Next, peer-peer downloads without any network. Specifically for sharing public, location sensitive, and cacheable data through UWB without any network in…
I forget, does Apple and SpaceX get along? Seems obvious.
I feel like the lack of CarPlay on Tesla says no. But I have no actual idea.