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How people learn to become resilient (2016)

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Re: How people learn to become resilient (2016)

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In this sense, privilege just lets you circumvent having to learn to be resilient. You can choose the amount of stressors you want to let in. I have two friends who come from wealthy backgrounds, one is putting in 70-80hour weeks doing residency at a hospital, the other doesn't work and couldn't deal with the bay area rental market, so their parents purchased them a $1.5m home. I guess what I am getting at is there i…

I have many friends coming from wealthy backgrounds, and about half of them are very depressed. I myself am coming from a wealthy background, and have severe psychological and physical problems. I don't think this privilege stuff has much meaning in it.

Re: How people learn to become resilient (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think you are failing to consider those who faced trauma and failed to handle it. I would have previously agreed with you, and I think that is an important viewpoint that is useful to contemplate deeply. But, I now wish to reject the point of view that I should be proud because I faced my individual trauma somehow 'better' than those other people. Those other people shouldn't have faced that trauma either.

Trauma is the natural state of the universe. To think life should be free of trauma is a hyper-modern and sheltered view of the world enabled by our extreme comfort provided by modern technology and the invisible labor from less privelidged people and those who lived and died before us. Trauma is the natural state, and our resilience has and always will be a defining characteristic of successful people... Of whom we…

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Re: How people learn to become resilient (2016)

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post #17

Someone smarter than I am should draw parallels from this to modern social justice movements.

>Werner wrote. Perhaps most importantly, the resilient children had what psychologists call an “internal locus of control”: they believed that they, and not their circumstances, affected their achievements. The resilient children saw themselves as the orchestrators of their own fates. In fact, on a scale that measured locus of control, they scored more than two standard deviations away from the standardization group.…

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Re: How people learn to become resilient (2016)

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Werner wrote. Perhaps most importantly, the resilient children had what psychologists call an “internal locus of control”: they believed that they, and not their circumstances, affected their achievements. The resilient children saw themselves as the orchestrators of their own fates. In fact, on a scale that measured locus of control, they scored more than two standard deviations away from the standardization group.…

To add to this, the article mentions the need to be more specific when facing challenges and stressors. A big trend, at least in PNW leftist activism, is looking at the entire system while focusing in on flaws. No improvement is acceptable unless it is total and complete, and partial steps are even worse than doing nothing. Myanmar coup? Time to protest global capitalism. Bad conditions in a jail in Wyoming? Time to…

Your post kind-of reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/ZDTkn6PCbtY

Re: How people learn to become resilient (2016)

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a major part of 12-step programs is getting people to shift to an external locus of control. they're supposed to accept that they have a permanent problem that it's totally beyond their power to fix. somehow this helps people make difficult, lasting changes in their lives that were previously beyond them, which is exactly the opposite of what should happen according to the research profiled in this article. I think i…

For what it's worth, I don't think the twelve step program should be universally lauded such as it is. Does it help people? Absolutely. Could there be a better way? Probably.

hard to attack something that is already the status quo and free.

Re: How people learn to become resilient (2016)

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In this sense, privilege just lets you circumvent having to learn to be resilient. You can choose the amount of stressors you want to let in. I have two friends who come from wealthy backgrounds, one is putting in 70-80hour weeks doing residency at a hospital, the other doesn't work and couldn't deal with the bay area rental market, so their parents purchased them a $1.5m home. I guess what I am getting at is there i…

An interesting, and different aspect of “resilience” you sort of touch on but don’t spell out is resistance to temptation. Avoiding gluttony if you refer to the deadly sins.

Some family environments may “spoil” the child because wealth allows the care-givers to provide a “Brave New World” like environment to grow up in.

This is very different than an environment where food and shelter isn’t being met and the challenge is to acquire the basics.

In an environment where “getting spoiled” might be an issue what is lacking is the fundamental need to develop autonomy and self-efficacy.

This is the environment I grew up in.

While a student—my dad was always trying to cheer me up with fancy dinners, and sumptuous gifts instead of trying to teach me how to create this same environment for myself.

Later, as an adult—they would discourage me from all attempts to overcome struggle.

Once I had a problem with a supplier while trying to launch a business and the first reaction out from my dad was that I should quit. My struggle was too much for my parents to bear. He didn’t believe I could endure the challenge.

Two things further complicate the situation.

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The child in question may also be continually told that they are lucky to be provided for. Isolation may ensue.

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If only one parent is the breadwinner—the spouse may also end up being spoiled because they are out of touch with the circumstances that created the financial privilege.

Without going too much more into it, I do believe I have developed a much better sense of what to accept and what to reject as gifts. I’m not perfect at it, but here is my thinking right now.

Reject material goods. Reject rent payments. Reject the payment of household expenses.

Accept experiences and time together. This is not as easy as it sounds.

For example, how should I pay for extra activities if my dad has picked out a luxurious resort and is inviting me on his dime? If it was my dollar, I would have opted for a much cheaper backpacking trip where 7 days camping equate to to one night at said resort. Still—I don’t want to have a bad time while I’m on vacation and so I choose to do these activities which he is more than happy to pay for. (Previously I have been on miserable vacations where I did nothing fun because I felt bad about spending his money. Truth is—I can’t afford this place on my own.)

At the end of the day—we are a family and we need to get along and we need to understand each other. We need to spend time together. We actually even like spending time together.

If I’m ever as financially successful as my father I need to make sure that these rules are clear up front for my children.

The more complicated wrinkle is with my mother who divorced my father. She is spoiled and spends her money very poorly. There is nothing I wish for more than to see her run her life with self-efficacy. She should have enough self-restraint so that she can actually enjoy the very exciting things she does do in life. Still—she dosen’t. In fact, she may never develop the capacity to do this for herself.

Money is a powerful creature. If used correctly—it can really enhance life. If used incorrectly, it can destroy you. In my life—I have seen it do both.

Re: How people learn to become resilient (2016)

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Off-topic comment: newyorker.com hasn't loaded successfully for me in Chrome for probably a few years now. Literal white page that flickers with the article for a second before going blank. I figured it was anti-ad-blocker tech, but even disabling ad blocker and going to incognito does nothing. Calls to " https://dolphin.condenastdigital.com/engines/atmo " are the calls that seem to fail with "ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED".…

I am using Brave, which is Chromium based, and I had no problem loading the article.

Sucks to hear you having that issue.

Re: How people learn to become resilient (2016)

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No mention of IQ anywhere in the article. I am sure IQ plays a major role in terms of outcomes. Often children from disadvantaged backgrounds and abusive/negligent parents who pull themselves up tend to also be smarter than average.

The article actually says the opposite, that these kids weren’t particularly smart.

“Though not especially gifted, these children used whatever skills they had effectively”

At least that’s how I interpreted the above quote.

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