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Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

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Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#61

We need a global maximum, of 0%. I don't want to sound like some kind of hardcore Austrian fundamentalist, because I'm not. Taxes are fine, but levying them on fictitious non-person entities is just a means of obscuring to voters where the tax burden ultimately lies. All taxes are paid by individuals, either directly, or by corporations raising or lowering the prices they charge and prices they pay, to suppliers, emp…

We need to stop taxing incomes of all sorts. Georgism for the win!

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#62

We need a global maximum, of 0%. I don't want to sound like some kind of hardcore Austrian fundamentalist, because I'm not. Taxes are fine, but levying them on fictitious non-person entities is just a means of obscuring to voters where the tax burden ultimately lies. All taxes are paid by individuals, either directly, or by corporations raising or lowering the prices they charge and prices they pay, to suppliers, emp…

An interesting thought exercise, but you use the term "supplier" as if it isn't itself a business. And while I see what you're trying to get at, I think the idea is flawed. Taxed being "open and transparent" are good attributes, but not the reason, for taxes to exist. They exist to fund society. Corporations and businesses, as entities, utilize public services. They wear roads, they take up land, they pollute. They s…

They do pay a portion though, through payroll taxes and their employee's income taxes. They also pay property taxes and shareholders pay capital gains taxes. I'm sure there are even taxes I am forgetting about. This is only talking about the tax on corporate profits.

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#63

We need a global maximum, of 0%. I don't want to sound like some kind of hardcore Austrian fundamentalist, because I'm not. Taxes are fine, but levying them on fictitious non-person entities is just a means of obscuring to voters where the tax burden ultimately lies. All taxes are paid by individuals, either directly, or by corporations raising or lowering the prices they charge and prices they pay, to suppliers, emp…

We need to stop taxing incomes of all sorts. Georgism for the win!

if you're implying we should tax consumption instead, that's obvious but probably unpopular among the suburban dwelling gas guzzling HN crowd

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#64

A corporate income tax is only slightly more progressive than a flat tax. A corporate tax rate of 0% but corporate income is passed through to shareholders as personal income seems better in every regard.

Isn't that just called a dividend? Or are you suggesting that shareholders owe tax liability for all earned corporate profits, regardless whether any of that is paid to them as a dividend?

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm kind of the opposite. We should have 0% personal income tax and a minimum corporate income tax. A personal income tax incentivises the state to surveil the economic activity of individuals and play games with nudging people to do X or Y, and puts the burden of tax filing and the consequences of not reporting (which some people just can't do correctly). Contrariwise, a corporate income tax can be thought of as a "…

Your proposal would actually punish mom and pop stores in aggregate. Limited liability is incredibly important to business operation.

Those operations can choose to pay income taxes. A lot of small operations (contracting shops whose customers are businesses) will do just fine without limited liability. You can also limit liability on a contract by contract basis. Many people are incorporating their operations just to be able to claim business expense deductions on their income stream. This seems unnecessary.

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#67
In many countries, vendors from Apple to the guy selling apples on the street-corner collect Value-Added Tax (VAT) from their customers. It's a kind of sales tax that applies to all sales, not just retail sales to end users. It's harder for companies to play the international shell game with sales than it is with cash.

VAT seems to be sufficiently fair, workable, and enforceable. People don't like it, but nobody likes taxes.

The US feds can't do VAT though. It took the 16th amendment to allow the feds to collect income tax from people; it carves out an exception to the Article 1 requirement that all taxes be apportioned among the states by population.

This corporate alternative minimum tax idea seems to be a way to stay within the bounds of the 16th amendment and still collect business taxes.

None of it matters at all unless the tax-audit authorities get more teeth than they now have. Business-tax compliance in the US could easily go down Greece's path, where you're a chump unless you cheat.

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#68
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I believe that the pandemic will make world politics lean to the left. It's inevitable. Such a gigantic crisis will force society into mutual help, and will make it harder for values like independence and individualism to really thrive and endure. No man is an island. It's true that trade and entrepreneurship are a form of mutual help, but competition bring the worse, and it becomes the economy of the survival of the…

And yet, it didn't do that with the US. I'm frankly shocked that so many anti-maskers and covid-hoaxers are so adamant, because this was the perfect case for universal health care in the US. And yet, you hear NO ONE calling for it. It's like learned helplessness. There's almost half the population that actively rejects it, which is mindboggling to me.

learned helplessness is exactly what it is. it also explains the unwillingness to change the us political system. "yes it's awful but there's nothing we can do about it."

Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate

#69

I don't see any reason why the Irelands of the world would be amenable to the idea of a minimum corporate tax rate. There are huge economic benefits to be had by luring US and UK companies with favorable tax treatment. Yellen's fantasy about getting every country to apply the same high tax rate against their interests is not helping the US's global competitiveness. In business, if you find yourself in a "race to the…

It isn't a fantasy if the US and other high tax rate countries apply pressure in the form of holding at stake economic access at stake.

I'm not in favour of the corporate tax, I would rather have a high progressive consumption tax, a progressive inheritance tax, and a land value tax. (yes I recognize this will never happen...) That said, tax arbitrage across borders is the same kind of global coordination problem as climate policy across borders.

Accepting a race to the bottom and resigning to a climate catastrophe are not solutions; we need countries who want to fix these problems to band together and create carrots and sticks to incentivize misbehaving countries to join in.

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