We need a global maximum, of 0%. I don't want to sound like some kind of hardcore Austrian fundamentalist, because I'm not. Taxes are fine, but levying them on fictitious non-person entities is just a means of obscuring to voters where the tax burden ultimately lies. All taxes are paid by individuals, either directly, or by corporations raising or lowering the prices they charge and prices they pay, to suppliers, emp…
Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate
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Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate
#62We need a global maximum, of 0%. I don't want to sound like some kind of hardcore Austrian fundamentalist, because I'm not. Taxes are fine, but levying them on fictitious non-person entities is just a means of obscuring to voters where the tax burden ultimately lies. All taxes are paid by individuals, either directly, or by corporations raising or lowering the prices they charge and prices they pay, to suppliers, emp…
An interesting thought exercise, but you use the term "supplier" as if it isn't itself a business. And while I see what you're trying to get at, I think the idea is flawed. Taxed being "open and transparent" are good attributes, but not the reason, for taxes to exist. They exist to fund society. Corporations and businesses, as entities, utilize public services. They wear roads, they take up land, they pollute. They s…
Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate
#63We need a global maximum, of 0%. I don't want to sound like some kind of hardcore Austrian fundamentalist, because I'm not. Taxes are fine, but levying them on fictitious non-person entities is just a means of obscuring to voters where the tax burden ultimately lies. All taxes are paid by individuals, either directly, or by corporations raising or lowering the prices they charge and prices they pay, to suppliers, emp…
We need to stop taxing incomes of all sorts. Georgism for the win!
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#64A corporate income tax is only slightly more progressive than a flat tax. A corporate tax rate of 0% but corporate income is passed through to shareholders as personal income seems better in every regard.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm kind of the opposite. We should have 0% personal income tax and a minimum corporate income tax. A personal income tax incentivises the state to surveil the economic activity of individuals and play games with nudging people to do X or Y, and puts the burden of tax filing and the consequences of not reporting (which some people just can't do correctly). Contrariwise, a corporate income tax can be thought of as a "…
Your proposal would actually punish mom and pop stores in aggregate. Limited liability is incredibly important to business operation.
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#67VAT seems to be sufficiently fair, workable, and enforceable. People don't like it, but nobody likes taxes.
The US feds can't do VAT though. It took the 16th amendment to allow the feds to collect income tax from people; it carves out an exception to the Article 1 requirement that all taxes be apportioned among the states by population.
This corporate alternative minimum tax idea seems to be a way to stay within the bounds of the 16th amendment and still collect business taxes.
None of it matters at all unless the tax-audit authorities get more teeth than they now have. Business-tax compliance in the US could easily go down Greece's path, where you're a chump unless you cheat.
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#68I believe that the pandemic will make world politics lean to the left. It's inevitable. Such a gigantic crisis will force society into mutual help, and will make it harder for values like independence and individualism to really thrive and endure. No man is an island. It's true that trade and entrepreneurship are a form of mutual help, but competition bring the worse, and it becomes the economy of the survival of the…
And yet, it didn't do that with the US. I'm frankly shocked that so many anti-maskers and covid-hoaxers are so adamant, because this was the perfect case for universal health care in the US. And yet, you hear NO ONE calling for it. It's like learned helplessness. There's almost half the population that actively rejects it, which is mindboggling to me.
Re: Yellen calls for global minimum corporate tax rate
#69I don't see any reason why the Irelands of the world would be amenable to the idea of a minimum corporate tax rate. There are huge economic benefits to be had by luring US and UK companies with favorable tax treatment. Yellen's fantasy about getting every country to apply the same high tax rate against their interests is not helping the US's global competitiveness. In business, if you find yourself in a "race to the…
I'm not in favour of the corporate tax, I would rather have a high progressive consumption tax, a progressive inheritance tax, and a land value tax. (yes I recognize this will never happen...) That said, tax arbitrage across borders is the same kind of global coordination problem as climate policy across borders.
Accepting a race to the bottom and resigning to a climate catastrophe are not solutions; we need countries who want to fix these problems to band together and create carrots and sticks to incentivize misbehaving countries to join in.