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Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by mckirk »

laverya wrote: post #24
q3k wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Demos, especially modern/highend prods with tons of noise and other tiny details (scanline filters, fractals, ...), are legendarily ruthless encoder killers.

Kind of ironic, given how small the sources are.

That actually nicely illustrates the parallel between AI and compression. An 'almighty' AI would be able to reverse engineer the source code from what it sees and compress it back down to that size.

But then it might determine that the best compression would be no transmission at all, and decide to eradicate any potential viewers. Those damn pesky almighty AIs.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by kevingadd »

dt3ft wrote: post #45
echelon wrote: post #27

Is anything capable of disrupting Twitch at this point? YouTube would be impossible to disrupt, but Twitch is ephemeral. So maybe if enough people got outraged?

It is possible. Here’s how: - reach out to 20 biggest streamers on twitch and get them to agree to move to your platform, the same way spotify got Joe Rogan to move from YT to Spotify - with signed agreements ready get funding - build the platform, and all accompanying streamer tools, preferably fix all major issues that twitch has - set the date for launch - launch, with all your onboarded twitch streamers streaming…

Mixer and other big players tried this and failed, with tens-to-hundreds million usd spend involved.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by busterarm »

echelon wrote: post #27

Is anything capable of disrupting Twitch at this point? YouTube would be impossible to disrupt, but Twitch is ephemeral. So maybe if enough people got outraged?

If you want to beat Twitch, solve the discoverability problem.

Twitch provides absolutely no discoverability to streamers. It's purely a function of big gets bigger. They have zero design or plans to help streamers connect with the viewers who are interested in them (it's not "Playing Game X"). The primary way that Twitch streamers at 100+ viewers get new ones is via Youtube Clips + Twitter!

The first company to reasonably solve this problem will capture the lower 80% of Twitch's streamers.

Weirdly, YouTube has discoverability of normal videos nailed, but not for gaming streams either. There is tremendous opportunity here.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by busterarm »

Judgmentality wrote: post #31
echelon wrote: post #27

Is anything capable of disrupting Twitch at this point? YouTube would be impossible to disrupt, but Twitch is ephemeral. So maybe if enough people got outraged?

Microsoft tried and failed, plus Facebook and Google never really got anywhere. The irony is most people on twitch are surprisingly unhappy with it and want a better alternative. The other thing to know is that twitch is still a significant money loser for Amazon.

Which is weird, because out of all of the platforms, Twitch keeps the biggest cut of ad revenue. They rate all ads at a fixed cost regardless the size of the streamer (which is bonkers). Twitch should have systems in place by now to make the most off an ad run on the biggest streamers, but they're doing a really poor job of it. Amazon does seem to be exerting some influence here to rectify this though (see recent metrics changes to Twitch APIs).

This actually leads me to believe that Twitch users are probably at like a 95%+ AdBlock install rate.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by slim »

stavros wrote: post #41
sgt wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good god, a nipple. Imagine if children were around, they've never seen a nipple before! /s

I don't appreciate the sarcasm. Seeing a nipple can have serious effects on the psyche of a still-developing child. Luckily, the chance to see one (even by accident) is very small, since we banned nipples in 2017, and very few people now have them.

many white males still have their nipples despite the ban. I feel the ban is mainly enforced on females. which is a shame.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by BlueTemplar »

rwmj wrote: post #60
astrobe_ wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitch itself replaced HitboxTV, which was pretty much in Twitch's situation today: a de facto monopoly, and technical issues (they offered either the resource hungry Flashplayer or a semi-broken HTML5 implementation). SO what will disrupt Twitch is the same thing as usual: a combo of a greedy company, a user experience that gets worse and worse, and a new tech coming out.

> a combo of a greedy company, a user experience that gets worse and worse, and a new tech coming out Interestingly Youtube has 2 out of 3 - greedy company running ads every 3 minutes, and constant full screen badgering about cookies and sign-ups. I wonder what the new tech will be that will complete the set?

You don't think that PeerTube can do it ?

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by BlueTemplar »

busterarm wrote: post #65
Judgmentality wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft tried and failed, plus Facebook and Google never really got anywhere. The irony is most people on twitch are surprisingly unhappy with it and want a better alternative. The other thing to know is that twitch is still a significant money loser for Amazon.

Which is weird, because out of all of the platforms, Twitch keeps the biggest cut of ad revenue. They rate all ads at a fixed cost regardless the size of the streamer (which is bonkers). Twitch should have systems in place by now to make the most off an ad run on the biggest streamers, but they're doing a really poor job of it. Amazon does seem to be exerting some influence here to rectify this though (see recent met…

Like YouTube, Twitch is pretty good at bypassing adblockers.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by busterarm »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #68
busterarm wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is weird, because out of all of the platforms, Twitch keeps the biggest cut of ad revenue. They rate all ads at a fixed cost regardless the size of the streamer (which is bonkers). Twitch should have systems in place by now to make the most off an ad run on the biggest streamers, but they're doing a really poor job of it. Amazon does seem to be exerting some influence here to rectify this though (see recent met…

Like YouTube, Twitch is pretty good at bypassing adblockers.

I can't remember the last time I've seen an ad on either.

And also the main point was that Twitch does a terrible job at monetizing off their ads. They have the worst advertising platform.

Ads on Twitch run for all streamers. There's very little targeting capability and they strike individual deals for all ads on their system rather than purchase from a DSP.

Re: Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream

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Post by capableweb »

slim wrote: post #66
stavros wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't appreciate the sarcasm. Seeing a nipple can have serious effects on the psyche of a still-developing child. Luckily, the chance to see one (even by accident) is very small, since we banned nipples in 2017, and very few people now have them.

many white males still have their nipples despite the ban. I feel the ban is mainly enforced on females. which is a shame.

True. I wonder where the limit goes. If a male has bigger breasts and show a nipple, would that be bannable? What if a male gets breast implants a shows a nipple, bannable? Or vice-versa, a girl with very small breasts but showing nipple gets banned while a man with same size breasts showing nipple doesn't get banned?

How in the holy hell did the US get that way? It's in no way Twitch's fault, I just wonder how an entire country went that way...

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