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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by lostlogin »

alacombe wrote: post #57
incrudible wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those symptoms are consistent with the dozens of common cold viruses that haven't diseappeared. Consider that many people get COVID tests because they are symptomatic , yet most of them are negative.

According to https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/flu... , there has been pretty much no flu season this year compared to ~any other year (which in itself is highly suspect). Last week of January reported 55 vs 23,972 on average any other season.

I’m missing your angle - why is it suspect that there are so few cases?

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by [deleted] »

jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by DanBC »

alacombe wrote: post #57
incrudible wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those symptoms are consistent with the dozens of common cold viruses that haven't diseappeared. Consider that many people get COVID tests because they are symptomatic , yet most of them are negative.

According to https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/flu... , there has been pretty much no flu season this year compared to ~any other year (which in itself is highly suspect). Last week of January reported 55 vs 23,972 on average any other season.

You might want to check how they count flu in normal years.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by incrudible »

alacombe wrote: post #57
incrudible wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those symptoms are consistent with the dozens of common cold viruses that haven't diseappeared. Consider that many people get COVID tests because they are symptomatic , yet most of them are negative.

According to https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/flu... , there has been pretty much no flu season this year compared to ~any other year (which in itself is highly suspect). Last week of January reported 55 vs 23,972 on average any other season.

Influenza is not the same as the common cold, which is also sometimes referred to as "the flu". Besides influenza-types, there are a couple of viruses that cause the common cold, among them the aptly named rhinoviruses but also other coronaviruses.

Indeed there's a suspicious drop in influenza-type cases, likely caused by all the social distancing and perhaps by SarS-COV-2 simply out-competing influenza-types in knocking people out.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by castis »

anoncake wrote: post #48
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

> Long Covid is real. But temporary -- and not all that long compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now -- except in extremely rare cases. Evidence to the contrary is welcome, after more than a year there should be some.

I wish to point out that the hell you're describing is also temporary, and would have possibly been much shorter if everyone had just gone along with it from the start.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by mdoms »

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by legerdemain » 

  > one in eight of patients dies in the same period
Another nuanced and striking peculiarity of the English language that writers for this international paper may not have mastered yet!

"Eight of them" is grammatically unremarkable. "Eight of the patients" and "eight patients" are also unremarkable, although slightly different in meaning.

"Eight of patients" is jarring. It sounds like "four of clubs."

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by arbitrage »

azakai wrote: post #9
bedhead wrote: post #8

There is a ton of selection bias here, these are already generally speaking very unhealthy people.

That's why the study looked at a control group, to try to account for that bias (as the abstract says, the control group was chosen to match "personal and clinical characteristics"). It's always possible they missed a factor, that's always a risk in such research, but they worked hard to address that possibility.

> It's always possible they missed a factor

in public health medical science? you don't say.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by raarts »

anoncake wrote: post #48
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

> Long Covid is real. But temporary -- and not all that long compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now -- except in extremely rare cases. Evidence to the contrary is welcome, after more than a year there should be some.

I fully agree with you. And considering the fact that a virus cannot be eradicated and will continue to mutate we will have to live with covid just like we do with the flu.

There is a minimum number of deaths that we should accept as a society just like we accept other causes of death.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by rorykoehler »

mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

Europeans were no different. It’s changed my perspective on who we are and not in a good way.
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